Genetics - Can two longcoats produce a short-coated puppy? - Page 2

Plush coats are just GSDs with nice thick coats, as opposed to short, slick coats (close coated).

Also, if those are the supposed parents, and that is the supposed daughter, somebody is either lying, or ignorant

The mother doesn't look long-coated to me--just plush.

Christine

It's hard to say what type of coat the 'alleged' mother has from that photo alone; right now, without seeing a view of her from the side and standing, I agree with Christine--she looks like a 'plush' coat, not a long coated dog, and thus certainly could produce stock coated puppies when bred with a long coated male.

As to your question regarding the standing of the plush coat, I'm not familiar with the standard for the White Swiss Shepherd, but even when the SV banned the long stock coated dogs from the breed ring and the whelping box, you'd still see them in those venues...they were simply referred to as 'plush' [probably some had the feathering on their legs and ears trimmed as needed], and there was never any shortage of real longcoated dogs being born, because the long stock coats have always been and continue to be very, very popular with lots of folks. I would expect it to be no different with the White Swiss Shepherds.

SMH

She looks long to me, but perhaps one of those dogs that looks borderline?  If she is just SUPER plush, then the daughter is definitely possible

I liked your explanation susie.
It made me go and look this up and look for more. It looks like some things still remain un-explained.
They know the long coat gene now as you explained it well for Golden Retriever, Irish Setter, Border Collie, Long hair GSD.
They know at least one Wire Coat gene (Dominant) and a Curly Coat (recessive)

But, I have still not found the explanation for the coats that grow long continuously as in the
Maltese, Yorkshire Terrier, Afghan Hound. Or coats that are super short like the Doberman, Bulldog, Dalmatian

My point was if you are questioning this breeder's ethics now, WHY IN HELL would you want to buy a puppy/dog from them at all?  If fact why would you buy anything at all from them as it does not sound like an honest/ethical breeder to me.  JMO.

I asked about the reverse a while back, a long coated GSD out of two normal plush coated GSDs. Someone said it was because of recessive gene if I remember right. So would the same be not be true for a short coat out of two show coated GSDs?

Danica, who short-coats who both  CARRY the recessive long-coat gene can produce a long-coat. Ll x Ll gives a 25% probability of ll. "L" is short-coat, "l" is long-coat. Only in the combination "ll" the dog has indeed a long coat. See the Wikipedia quote cited in my original posting at the top.

I wish to thank all of you for your very helpful answers. I guess the grandmother may be indeed a "plush"-coat. In some cases it is hard to tell.