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by Abhay on 24 February 2013 - 03:02
gouda, I figured you would go that route. You didn't say charlatans, false prophets, false Christs, and pretenders. You said "Worldly Christ".
You don't have the right to substitute words in the scriptures. It's very weak, and we are warned in Revelations 18 and 19 about doing such.
There is only one Son of God. Whether he be in this world or any other, he is still the Son of God.
What is so sad, is to watch Judgemental, fire and brimstone faux christians, turn curious children and adults away from Christ all the time. Very Sad.
You don't have the right to substitute words in the scriptures. It's very weak, and we are warned in Revelations 18 and 19 about doing such.
There is only one Son of God. Whether he be in this world or any other, he is still the Son of God.
What is so sad, is to watch Judgemental, fire and brimstone faux christians, turn curious children and adults away from Christ all the time. Very Sad.

by GSDtravels on 24 February 2013 - 03:02
No thanks Gouda, you can take me off of your prayer list.
You wonder what's wrong with the world while you refuse peace from others at every turn. It's a sad thing to see a human become so entrenched in hatred.
You wonder what's wrong with the world while you refuse peace from others at every turn. It's a sad thing to see a human become so entrenched in hatred.

by Red Sable on 24 February 2013 - 03:02
Loved that video Shtal. How exciting it must have been to have lived when Jesus walked the earth and to have known him!
I still think we are to show Gods love, preach the Gospel and leave the judging and changing of hearts up to Him.
Can you show me scripture that says we are to show them their sins? I was under the impression God did that after they accepted Him?
I still think we are to show Gods love, preach the Gospel and leave the judging and changing of hearts up to Him.
Can you show me scripture that says we are to show them their sins? I was under the impression God did that after they accepted Him?

by GSDtravels on 24 February 2013 - 03:02
And along comes Shtal, with fire, brimstone and more hatred. Another sad human being, or what used to be, at one time anyway.

by GSD Admin on 24 February 2013 - 04:02
Abhay,
You are a breath of fresh air and I agree with you 100%. Thank you for speaking up.
You are a breath of fresh air and I agree with you 100%. Thank you for speaking up.
by Abhay on 24 February 2013 - 04:02
GSD Admin, You are too kind. Thank You so much.

by Shtal on 24 February 2013 - 07:02
Red Sable wrote: Can you show me scripture that says we are to show them their sins? I was under the impression God did that after they accepted Him?
Malachi Chapter 3
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Let me explain something; if we to talk on the subject what prevent(s) a human to come to God. Jews asked Malachi in the scripture: "How shall we repent?" They did not ask that question because I do not know how to turn to God, but because they saw no need for it. They said: "How shall we repent? After all: we religious people. We believe in God. The Lord calls us to repent/address. How can all of us turn/repent...And so unexpectedly God had answered the question for this people, although it is clearly that the answer they didn’t need it or if they were seeking it, but with all of this he did NOT immediately explain what repent actually means. In the beginning, in verses 8 and 9, he says, what interfere/prevents to repent:
(Question) "Can a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But ye say wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. "God answers their question - in fact - It shows why necessity for repent. These people do not see their sins, and therefore were not able to turn to God. Malachi points to their sin and says; you are robbing God. Everything in this world belongs to God. A human has the right to use all/everything that God has given him in this world. The only payment God demands from people - is the recognition that everything belongs to Him, gratitude for what we receive from Him. But the Israelis do not "pay" to God for his gifts, and thus rob him. They did not bring the tithe. Tithing - a symbol. Bringing it, we thus recognize that everything we have belongs to God. And the Israelis do not tithe. They enjoyed all that the LORD gave them in this world, but did not pay the appreciation, recognition, gratitude. So they steal, they rob God, and this was their sin.
Malachi indicates not only a sin but also its consequences. He says: "Cursed are you cursed, for what ye have robbed me." Curse means death, and it's about the fact that God has sentenced a man to death, to destruction. And this curse is fulfilled in their lives. They seem to be living, but because of sin - were alienated from God, and that is death. But, and in the future they await full curse, people will finally be alienated from God - forever deprived of life. A human does not /will not cease to exist and perceive of himself: and so the existence of hell - it's not life but death for the human.
That's what we have to tell people and people on this board too, because without perception /understanding the need to repent - human will never turn/repent.
Talking to people/atheists, we should know/understand that they do not perceive the necessity need to repent; we need to show them there sins in all of its glory.
In addition, we need to explain about the consequences of sin. We should NOT abuse the doctrine of existence of hell, only with intention to scare people, but still we must honestly and openly tell them that if they die in their sins, and they don’t turn to God, they will die forever, perish in hell.
Urging/telling people to turn to God, we can not say that, we must...If a human does not perceive/acknowledge the necessity need to repent, he would not turn/address for salvation.
Imagine this; that some person commits a crime, but the authorities of the law didn’t show/reveal charges against him. He will not look for a lawyer; will not pay him “lawyer” money for his defense. Even if he was charged, he still thinks that this crime gets off with just a small fine, and so he/she will not hire a lawyer. He/she has no need to worry - till the point when a human finally starts to understand that God has lay charges against him/her, till this person realizes/understands that this matter will not do away with / get off with a small fine, but instead which he or she faces capital punishment, and so human will not start or begin to worry on this matter; human will not have attempts/need to repent to God and receive salvation.
I hope I answered your question.
Shtal.
Malachi Chapter 3
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Let me explain something; if we to talk on the subject what prevent(s) a human to come to God. Jews asked Malachi in the scripture: "How shall we repent?" They did not ask that question because I do not know how to turn to God, but because they saw no need for it. They said: "How shall we repent? After all: we religious people. We believe in God. The Lord calls us to repent/address. How can all of us turn/repent...And so unexpectedly God had answered the question for this people, although it is clearly that the answer they didn’t need it or if they were seeking it, but with all of this he did NOT immediately explain what repent actually means. In the beginning, in verses 8 and 9, he says, what interfere/prevents to repent:
(Question) "Can a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But ye say wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. "God answers their question - in fact - It shows why necessity for repent. These people do not see their sins, and therefore were not able to turn to God. Malachi points to their sin and says; you are robbing God. Everything in this world belongs to God. A human has the right to use all/everything that God has given him in this world. The only payment God demands from people - is the recognition that everything belongs to Him, gratitude for what we receive from Him. But the Israelis do not "pay" to God for his gifts, and thus rob him. They did not bring the tithe. Tithing - a symbol. Bringing it, we thus recognize that everything we have belongs to God. And the Israelis do not tithe. They enjoyed all that the LORD gave them in this world, but did not pay the appreciation, recognition, gratitude. So they steal, they rob God, and this was their sin.
Malachi indicates not only a sin but also its consequences. He says: "Cursed are you cursed, for what ye have robbed me." Curse means death, and it's about the fact that God has sentenced a man to death, to destruction. And this curse is fulfilled in their lives. They seem to be living, but because of sin - were alienated from God, and that is death. But, and in the future they await full curse, people will finally be alienated from God - forever deprived of life. A human does not /will not cease to exist and perceive of himself: and so the existence of hell - it's not life but death for the human.
That's what we have to tell people and people on this board too, because without perception /understanding the need to repent - human will never turn/repent.
Talking to people/atheists, we should know/understand that they do not perceive the necessity need to repent; we need to show them there sins in all of its glory.
In addition, we need to explain about the consequences of sin. We should NOT abuse the doctrine of existence of hell, only with intention to scare people, but still we must honestly and openly tell them that if they die in their sins, and they don’t turn to God, they will die forever, perish in hell.
Urging/telling people to turn to God, we can not say that, we must...If a human does not perceive/acknowledge the necessity need to repent, he would not turn/address for salvation.
Imagine this; that some person commits a crime, but the authorities of the law didn’t show/reveal charges against him. He will not look for a lawyer; will not pay him “lawyer” money for his defense. Even if he was charged, he still thinks that this crime gets off with just a small fine, and so he/she will not hire a lawyer. He/she has no need to worry - till the point when a human finally starts to understand that God has lay charges against him/her, till this person realizes/understands that this matter will not do away with / get off with a small fine, but instead which he or she faces capital punishment, and so human will not start or begin to worry on this matter; human will not have attempts/need to repent to God and receive salvation.
I hope I answered your question.
Shtal.

by Shtal on 24 February 2013 - 10:02
GSDtravels wrote: And along comes Shtal, with fire, brimstone and more hatred. Another sad human being, or what used to be, at one time anyway.

Shtal.

Shtal.

by gouda on 24 February 2013 - 12:02
Hy Abhay
True Jesus came from above John 6:38
False Jesus ascends from the pit Rev. 11:17
True Jesus came in His Fathers name John 5:43
False Jesus comes in his own name John 5:43
True Jesus despised Isaiah 53:3; Luke 23:18
False Jesus admired Rev. 13:3,4
True Jesus does His Fathers will John 6:38
False Jesus to do his own will Dan. 11:36.
True Jesus is the good shepherd John 10:4-15
False Jesus the idol {evil} shepherd Zech.11:16,17
Real Jesus is the truth John 14:16
False Jesus is the lie
Real Jesus the Holy one Mark 1:2
False Jesus is the lawless one 2 thess 2:8
The real Jesus The mystery of Godliness.is God manifest in the flesh 1 Tim.3:16
The False Jesus the Iniquity Satan manifest in the flesh 2 Thess.2:7.
Now we can get into the facts Abhay.
Have a good day
gouda
True Jesus came from above John 6:38
False Jesus ascends from the pit Rev. 11:17
True Jesus came in His Fathers name John 5:43
False Jesus comes in his own name John 5:43
True Jesus despised Isaiah 53:3; Luke 23:18
False Jesus admired Rev. 13:3,4
True Jesus does His Fathers will John 6:38
False Jesus to do his own will Dan. 11:36.
True Jesus is the good shepherd John 10:4-15
False Jesus the idol {evil} shepherd Zech.11:16,17
Real Jesus is the truth John 14:16
False Jesus is the lie
Real Jesus the Holy one Mark 1:2
False Jesus is the lawless one 2 thess 2:8
The real Jesus The mystery of Godliness.is God manifest in the flesh 1 Tim.3:16
The False Jesus the Iniquity Satan manifest in the flesh 2 Thess.2:7.
Now we can get into the facts Abhay.
Have a good day
gouda

by GSDtravels on 24 February 2013 - 14:02
Wow Gouda, you're more twisted than I thought. The supposed God you worship is an evil ogre, so what else could be expected from you? You're all about punishment and damnation and you think you have it all tied up in a pretty package. Only problem is, you're looking at the outside world from inside your package and you never see your reflection. Of course, if I were that ugly on the inside, I'd also avert my gaze. Hatred, derision, division and judgement are what you eat, sleep and drink ----> think about that for more than a minute,.
The difference between this video and the two of you is the same difference between righteousness and self-righteousness. You two are arrogant and self righteous. She gets it, you don't.
The difference between this video and the two of you is the same difference between righteousness and self-righteousness. You two are arrogant and self righteous. She gets it, you don't.
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