The sickness of voyeurism - Page 2

In one of the documentaries a grieving parent told the panel one Childs life was more important than the rights of everyone under the Second Amendment to have the ability to preserve our freedoms.
I do not agree.
The other reoccurring theme in these documentaries was we do not care for the mentally ill and that's the real problem, plus the fact that so many people are so stupid about raising their children.
And that most of these shootings could have been prevented without any new legislation.
The legislation is the problem now.

OK, just so I'm clear on this--so you think it's important that everyone be able to view the death certificates for these kids to make sure that (a) each of them perished as the result of the damage done by gunshot, and (b) that presuming the cause of death for each was the result of damage caused by gunshot, that said wound[s] were the result of the weapons used by Lanza. 

Is that correct? 

If so, might you indulge me and disclose what other cause of death you think might be shown?  Are you concerned that additional information, such as toxicology findings, may be revealing facts not in evidence at the moment [since so little of it is available at this point in time]?

You aren't disputing that the children are actually dead, are you?

I watched the same documentary, Moons, and I don't believe that's exactly what was said--as I recall, that father stated that his child's right to live his life was more important than the right of American citizens to own any type of weapon they want. 

And I happen to agree with that.  I do not believe the Second Amendment guarantees anyone the right to own any type of weapon they want to possess.

Moons lives in his own paranoid world, Hexe.

Now, Smackwater Jack,
He bought a shotgun
'Cause he was in the mood
For a little confrontation.
He just a-let it all hang loose;
He didn't think about the noose.
He couldn't take no more abuse
So he shot down the congregation.

You can't talk to a man
With a shotgun in his hand.

Now, Big Jim the chief
Stood for law and order.
He called for the guard to come
And surround the border.
Now, from his bulldog mouth,
As he led the posse south,
Came the cry, "We got to ride
To clean up the streets
For our wives and our daughters!"

You can't talk to a man
When he don't wanna understand.
No, no, no, no, no.

The account of the capture
Wasn't in the papers,
But you know, they hanged ol' Smack right then
Instead of later.
You know, the people were quite pleased
'Cause the outlaw had been seized
And on the whole, it was a very good year
For the undertaker.

You know, you know, you can't talk to a man
With a shotgun in his hand.
A shotgun in his hand.
Smackwater Jack bought a shotgun.
Yeah, Smackwater Jack bought a shotgun.
Oh, Smackwater Jack, yeah.
Talkin' 'bout Smackwater Jack, yeah.
Talkin' 'bout a-Smackwater Jack, now.
Talkin' 'bout Smack.
Talkin' 'bout Jack.
Smackwater Jack, yeah.

Hey, I'm OK with Jack having a plain ol' shotgun, Moons!

I seriously am trying to understand what you are concerned the death certs for the kids could be hiding. Aren't death certs usually pretty basic, after all, and only include the primary cause of death, and perhaps something from which the primary cause arose? That's all that's been on the ones I've ever seen. What else would be on it to see?

You ladies are hilarious.

You can't get the point at all.

Your name calling is a lack of intelligent debate.

Your understanding of the meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment is equally lacking.

It's not any one document hexe, it's the total lack of facts and misleading information not properly addressed.

It's the politics.

It's Joe Biden telling his wife to fire a shotgun off the balcony which is illegal, and telling you that the Second Amendment is all about hunting and sport shooting.

No Blitzen,
I do not live in my own paranoid world, I live in this world and it's not a nice world and getting worst.
if you don't see it, that's not my problem.

By the way,
your government has killed more innocent children than this so far in this year alone, I don't hear any of you protesting the loss of those children, or demanding it stop.
What, they aren't as important?
Why?

Moons, I have yet to call you out of your name here, so you're painting with a rather wide brush in that regard.

And no, I do NOT believe the 2nd amendment is 'about hunting and sport shooting', but neither do I accept that it was intended to give blanket permission for civilian citizens of this country to possess the latest and most lethal of weaponry manufactured.  If the most sophisticated weapons available now were the same ones that existed when the 2nd Amendment was written, I'd have no issues with government and civilians having equal access and rights to have them.  Once things advanced to items that can kill scores of people in one fell swoop, that changed the lay of the land.

I don't care if Joe Biden's wife fires a shotgun off a balcony, as long as doing so isn't endangering anyone--and if you want to do it as well, with the same proviso, I'm OK with that as well. Of course, where I live people fire their guns in the air at midnight for New Year's, too. Not in town, naturally, but out here in the country, it's traditional.  Took some getting used to for me, coming from a suburban upbringing.

I do appreciate you clarification regarding the sealing of documents pertaining to Sandy Hook is opposition to the general concept overall.  I do not disagree that transparency from government is sorely lacking, especially in certain circumstances, but I also believe it to be better than it has been previously, at least in my lifetime.

As for 'my' government--like it or not, it's also yours, Moons, if you live here and you're a citizen--already killing more children this year than were lost at Sandy Hook, how do you know I haven't protested that, or demanded it stop?  Because I didn't do it here, on an website that is primarily designed to foster discussion about dogs and archive pedigrees for them?  I objected to it when we started this mess, and I've continued to do so ever since...and I've used what avenues are available to me to try and change what's happening and will continue to do so. 

LOL no, I don't see the world the same way as you do, Moons.

* "And no, I do NOT believe the 2nd amendment is 'about hunting and sport shooting', but neither do I accept that it was intended to give blanket permission for civilian citizens of this country to possess the latest and most lethal of weaponry manufactured." *