German Shepherd Breed split into 2 - Page 2

NO.... it was suggested and knocked down.... for good reason. 

Dante has no use for SL, so we just know he can't deal.

LOL makes more since now, thaks beetree.

though u asked about splitting the breed, i think the real question remains who can we fix the GSD (get it back to what it used to/should be). i think the best.only way possible it for the AKC to do like the SV, and actually have some breeding standards so ppl will stop breeding ""Pretty dogs"" and start breeding quality dogs. get some knowledgeable breed wardens and putnthem to work, if ur dog dont pass test u cant breed them.............the other thing i think theres to many shows, their should be 1, dont get rid of the show dog instead get rid of the show show......figure out what the dog was designed for(we already know, herdind, protection, yes their beautiful dogs, so their could be a show element in there) and judge them on that. more power to the ppl that love them, but ive never understood the conformation type showing,,who cares the u you taught your dog how to stand a certain way (which looks very unatural be the way) you taught him how to trot a certain way..................

I know a lot of ppl wont agree with this, especially show ppl......but i think it would help......you would end up with 2 dogs that can work their butts of, just have different colorations

Supakmario, what, are you Hitler? Listen to yourself. There are simply too many gsd in the world to fix it. Are you planning on killing off the ones who do not serve the breed well? There are too many great dogs in SL and in WL, to just abolish one line. "People will stop breeding 'pretty dogs' and start breeding quality dogs"  so breed just ugly dogs that can work? I don't really understand how you would go about creating you "utopia" kinda reminds me of a infamous dystopia.

It is way past the point of the GSD ever being "one" breed. It's interesting to discuss how things should be but the reality is that the GSD is going towards further division. The w/l is now dividing into w/l or sport line.

I guess the good news is that one can still get the GSD in whatever configuration they deem best. LE/military, work, sport or show. Not saying that's how it should be, just how it is. And it may take more effort than ordering one up off the internet.

Rik, I completely agree with you. Way too late to bring it back to one. And I think the GSD has so many variations, that its harded for "newcomers" to find what dog they actually want because they don't take the time to learn about them.

--- > "People will stop breeding 'pretty dogs' and start breeding quality dogs" so breed just ugly dogs that can work?

LMAO! That was priceless!

The suggestion to split the breed into two separate breeds as posted in the first post is just simply NUTS.   There is only one German Shepherd Dog and, unfortunately, this is divided into two with, on the one hand the Show lines and the Working lines on the other.   The real problems in the division is that the Show lines are producing dogs that, when mature, are too big and too heavy to work.  Also, the characters are getting weaker which is a big handicap for working stock.   Add to this self interest being placed before the breed itself.  This side is dictated to by fashion and money with foreigners paying prices way beyond a dog’s financial worth.   The Working Lines are fuelled by the competition people who just do not care whether the dog is bred to the breed standard as long as it will bite.   With more attention to breeding to the anatomical  requirements they could do a great service to the breed and, adding to that good looking dogs bring better prices.

Until breeders on both sides return to breeding to the standard nothing much will change.   It is for the responsible breeders to force the way forward with improvements in the dogs that they are breeding which ever side of the fence they are on.   Breeding top dogs consistently requires a great deal of good fortune and background knowledge of the breeding families.   The idea of a pedigree is good in that a breeder should be able to get some idea of what they will produce before a mating and based on the evidence of the bloodlines with the Koerung as a vital source of information.

The divisions between the two sides are world wide.   However, to breed to the standard is a must from the main pool of bloodline providers if the two sides are to become closer.

Mackenzie

Why can't they be split like the belgian shepherds are in the USA? Its already been done, what the problem here?

momosgarage - The answer to your post is very simple.  Our breed is the GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG and the need to copy another breed is uneccessary and unwelcome.   Why?  The answer is that in other breeds that have made changes it is usually based on the fact that breeders are unable to produce to the breed standard that they already have as in the case that you have quoted.   The German Shepherd Dog is a universal breed with one Breed Standard that produces a level of consistancy on a world wide basis and not just in the USA.

Mackenzie