Training for dog to jump up on table? - Page 2

The reason for adding sand to the paint is the give the surface grip and prevent the dogs from slipping. Giving it the second coat prevents it from being too sharp and keep the sand from falling off. In real live contact eqipment your either going to have sand or rubber for traction. Might as well get tehm use to it now. Take your time, have fun and use tasty treats. Pretty soon they should get the hang of it.
Fry

I'm sure some of it is about what corrections they are given or what
access they had to higher surfaces when they were puppies.  So 
Beetree has a good point, 'trainer' or not.

I have known dogs who were always "bodies on springs" who were
up or over anything and everything.  I've also known dogs inc GSDs
who were perfectly capable physically of jumping but never would
unless actually asked / taught to jump on or over something.  And I've
known dogs like M&J describes, who will cheerfully jump into a car or
onto a sofa, probably 'cos it has a 'stopping point', but don't like tables
or truck beds or whatever (flat without too obvious 'sides').

We didn't have much jumping around with the 'work' dogs at my ex-
employer's - there were 4 foot deer / sheep fences, so they were dis-
couraged from being too adventurous LOL .  After all livestock was kept
behind higher fences, my colleagues set up some agility equipment,
so that may have changed during the past year I haven't been there !

Ok, so that brings another question.  The only reason I am trying to get the pups to jump up on the table is that my mentor at the trial I went to said to do it.  Honestly, I was not sure why other than to teach the dogs to be aware of their footing and positioning.  Until the trail, I was generally discouraging the puppies to jump.  This was because I did not want another Houdini; Baron is hard enough to keep contained, having 3 dogs that clear fences will be a royal pain.

I can see to do this if someone is working towards agility, maybe?  I can also kind of understand this for the agility part of the IPO trials; although the dogs were jumping over something and not on something.

For training (IPO?), what is the point/goal for training a dog to jump up on a table?

bump (for my last set of questions)

Certainly its necessary for Agility;  dunno about IPO,  not familiar enough
with the exercises currently required.  Sure someone on here can say.

Re the Houdini aspect, how are they at jumping hurdles / other fence-like
obstacles, or have you not tried ?

There is no 'table' in IPO.

The dog must jump a 1 meter high hurdle to retrieve the dumbbell then return over the hurdle and then must go up and over an A-frame to retrieve the dumbbell and return over the A-frame.  The A-frame is approximately 5'9" high at it's peak I believe.

For the pups, not much jumping over things.  As the are only 9 months, I am trying to be careful of their joints.  Max will jump over a small chair laying on its side.  Cirberus, no luck at getting her to jump over anything yet. -------------  As for getting on a platform, they are doing well.  We are up to 6 inches off the ground.  There was a brief hesitation today, but then both got right on it.  --------

Fawn, you're setting your dogs up for confusion.

In IPO it is faulty for the dog to touch the hurdle, they are expected to jump clear and clean.  The A-frame (or scaling wall) you do want them to scale, not leap off of as that is hard on the joints.  But to my point, if you teach your dogs to jump on a table for like AKC agility, you're then going to have to teach them to NOT touch the top of the hurdle.   For a young dog this could get confusing pretty quick.

Also, for what it's worth, both my male and my female are IPO 1 and trained to jump the hurdle on the 'Hupp' command.  Both of them, can easily clear the 4 foot fence that encompasses their yard.  Neither of them have EVER gone over the fence.  Dug under it like a pair of damn moles, all the time but never over it.    It's like having a show jumper horse.  Sure the horse can clear 6' high fences easy when under tack and at command but you rarely see them jumping out of their paddocks.

Good point Rlhar.  Thank you for making the distinction.  Now I understand a bit more on why the table.  I have just about talked myself completely out of IPO, but agility is still very much on the table for Cirberus.    Max,  well, this is just something fun then.  I may think about how to modify it with some other training.  This week, both are learning a lot about body awareness and placement .       Thank you all for your help.

Ok just a second, a table is completly different obsticale then a solid or bar jump. Some trainers do "Table work" but that is to build bite drive (i could be phrasing that wrong) It would be silimar to doing a back tie but the dog is targeting higher up. I Guess it more ring sport or PSA.
In agility they have a "Pause" table. And i misunderstood the reason for the need of a table. But learning to get up on a table is very handy for grooming. Anf your dogs will be scaling a A frame that is much higher then the average fence.  But an A frame is not a fence and they should be highly discouraged about jumping fences.