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I think the limited papers are a good idea, but you could offer a clause that if both parents OFA h/e AND at 2 years of age the puppy also OFA's then the limited registration could be changed .... unless you have another reason that you would not have done this breeding intentionally. This will give the pups time to grow out too, you might end up surprised at what this oops will produce. Also sh_t happens, no sense crying over spilt milk!

BabyEagle, Of course it was my fault, Of course I am going to limit the registration, Am I legit ? is this not the responsible way to handle an oops? Be Nice, if you have not "YET" had a mistake you may care to illicit "Legitment" comments as well someday ! Trailrider, Actually those are really good ideas, and something we will take into consideration. Thank YOU.

Post mating shots rarely cause pyometra too. It is a calculated risk that is skewed toward it's not causing any problems. I've never heard of a dog's hemmoraging from such a shot. If you don't want to neuter young dogs, have tubal ligations and vasectomies done. Most vets should be able to do those simple procedures. A limited registration will not prevent puppies, it will only prevent puppies eligible for registration. Frankly, I neutered and required neutering on a lot of young dogs over the years and can't say I ever saw any negative results other than the occasional incontinence in a few bitches as they aged. That was kept under control with meds and is not due to a small bladder, it's due to the failure of voluntary control of the urethal muscle and caused by the lack of female sex horomones. Hormone replacement therapy always worked for my bitches. Males neutered young tend to not develope as heavy a head and they might grow taller, but so what? I'd like to read about this research that has proven that early neutering causes physical problems. Could someone please refer me to that information? I don't know if neutering reduces drive, but it makes sense that it could. Sooner or later most with multiple dogs are going to have an accidental mating.

Two things to interject here. Of course you know your situation better than I do but if the female got out and got mated, without it being witnessed, how do you know who the actual father is? Second, I had a "whoops" and found my young girl in heat, in the same pen with my young male (1 1/2 years both), and assumed he had "got" her and took her to my vet that same day and he told me that there is not an "after shot" of any kind. I had heard there was so I went home and called several vets on the phone and they all said that there is no "after shot". If there is, I would like to know exactly what it is called please. Turned out she did not get pregnant. Thank luck and inexperience. :)

SGBH wrote: "Many years ago I walked in my house and the dogs were tied in my living room(Male had turned door knob and let himself in the house). I took the female to the vet and if I remember correctly, he gave her a shot that was a large dose of estrogen, that started the heat cycle all over again, flushing the potentially fertilized eggs." Stephen, the key to your sentence is the first three words--"Many years ago..." Since then, vets have become reluctant to use hormonal intervention because of the side-effects involved, which range from aplastic anemia to endometriosis, not to mention failure to abort. In most cases these days, unless there is reason to believe that the pups will be (a) too large for the bitch to carry to term, or (b) will be defective mentally or physically, most vets will offer one of two options: allow the bitch to whelp the litter, or allow her to complete her heat cycle and then perform a surgical abortion during a spay procedure a few weeks after the cycle is finished. Obviously, if the owner has plans to breed the bitch in the future, the latter option isn't going to work out for them.

Estradiol cypionate (ECP) is the hormone used by most vets to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

Echomeadows, GOOD FOR YOU GIRL, YOU CAN ADMIT YOU'VE HAD AN ACCIDENT! I know some people are kind of hard-assed about it, but personally, I think its not only great you admit to it, but are asking for help! Way to go girl! Sorry I can't help, just wanted to say how happy I was to read this post!

Hi Mitch, Hey don't kick yourself about this. ALL breeders that I know have had an oops litter and yes, some of those oops litters have turned out to be their best litters yet! :) I love your ideas about spaying/neutering, we insist that all of our limited reg pups are spayed/neutered by 7 months and no problems as of yet and I've been doing this for going on 11 years now. In some instances, I have let my puppy people wait until they are around 2 to (wait to spay and) do OFA's then lifted the limited registration if they do well. This is something I do on a situational basis. I am glad that I have let some wait to spay/neuter because some of those dogs *that I wanted altered at an early age* have turned out to be wonderful! Email me off the list if you want to chat further. I have one of my oops litter pups here that we just adore! :) peggy

There is a hormone treatment that will cause the female to abort the developing eggs. I understand that it has quite a bit of associated with it, and it was not advised. And this advice was from a veterinarian who I recognise as a specialist for canine reproduction. As Stephen mentioned, the female WILL return to a heat cycle. I guess that the most serious risk is that of Pyometria, which is always a risk for ANY female who is in heat. And each heat cycle (without pregnancy) scars the uterus a bit more, so one has that issue as well. EchoMeadows, these accidents do happen, and from the conversations here in that you take part I feel that you are a responsible person. Personally, I would allow the litter to be born, and sell them all as limited registration. If the dam's hips pass at two (2) years of age then that will be great. The limited registration can always be changed later, and who knows-there may be a superstar in this litter. It's just my opinion, but I would decline to advise a client of spay/neuter until the puppies are 100% physically and mentally mature. It happens-the best of luck. Bob-O

Sorry "Mitch" thought you were a woman...from the email between us a few months back, I could've sworn...okay in that case, go through my post and in the spot of "Girl" imagine I said "Man"