Kennel von Wiese - Page 2

jve gotten 2 e mails from this kennel advertising their puppies out of the blue.... they are trying.to breed all solid black dogs out of what looks to be very well bred dogs They say that schutzhund 1 females that are bred were incapable of becoming schH 3. hmm. yeah ok. there couldnt possiibly be any other reason. lol.... big bucks for.the pups. so people beware of top kennels in europe breeding schH 1 females multie times as it is beause they were incapable of becoming a 3. (has this guy ever seen the bite work of some of the bszs schH3 dogs??) and spam adverting his pricey littes???

I am sorry but am confused what is the point you are trying to convey.  I have not read any of the info re Sch 1 on their site.  It would seem to me although I am not a breeder, thank god, but an owner of 3 gsds,  that they are breeding some top black gsds from good kennels.  It would not seem that they are showing or trialiing dogs but just trying to produce black gsds with good line breeding. Please tell me if I am wrong.

that is what their ad/email i got from them said. It clearly stated along the lines of "why buy a puppy from a schH1 female when you can get one from a schutzhund 3 as it is only a few weeks to a couple months of additional training put a 3 on them and that the reason they are not 3s is because they do not have what it takes to get to that level" i didnt just pull that out of the air. i have no doubt they have dogs that can produce a very nice/exceptional puppy or dog. but statements like that and the unsolicited e mails i received advertising their litters make me question their true motives. many top kennels in europe will send females off to trainers to title them as they are busy titling or campaigning other dogs. their ad was more of a SALES PITCH.

Not only kennels in Europe but I have seen firsthand where we used to train some very top USA breeders fast tracking their females for the Sch 1 for breeding.
A pup from non titled dogs is a back yard gsd. As far as I am concerned that is how they can justiy $1500 and up for SL pups. JMHO

to be honest you have lost me here... good luck in your search

i just checked and i still have the last e mail they sent me. send me your address and i will forward it to you if you like. never mind. i just clicked on it and the ad has changed drastically. no sales pitch and only a few pups left.

Hello everyone,
I hardly ever sign in here anymore to comment but visit often to read. When I read this about our homebred Olympia, I felt compelled to answer.
First of @armauro: You know exactly who Pia is as you had wanted a puppy out of her and Dennis Rohde's dog Marin zur Krombach. Are you still holding grudges because I refused to sell you this male puppy? He was way too much for you and I referred you to our friend Charlie Starr for another one - to refresh your memory. So, why are you stating that Pia was with Dennis Rohde? Yes, she stayed with him to be bred to Marin and Dennis was nice enough to keep her for us and even resurveyed her for me as a favor. He did that because he kept Pia's half-sister Uschi vom Siblersee for titling, showing and surveys as well. Both were owned by us, the breeders at this time.
@workingdogz:
Your description is not quite correct. Pia was bred and raised by us in Maryland. A longtime friend of ours in Germany, Werner titled, showed and surveyed her for us. He bred her to the Czech male Chaman Leryka for us before she returned home. Pia's first litter was born on January 12, 2010. Dennis then took her and Uschi in January 2011. Pia's litter with Marin was whelped on April 22, 2011. We had two litters with her and sold her to Dr. Rashid Buttar and his wife Debbie in summer of 2011 since we decided to keep her half-sister Uschi and her full brother Onyx (who in my opinion is the best black male in the U.S. by conformation standard - and no, he is not for public stud service and therefore not a sales pitch).
@everybody interested: Pia's new owners are very nice people. My husband is the one who really communicated with Dr. Buttar for a while. He and his wife own the Meadows Farm at Lake Norman and have all kinds of exotic animals and they happen to like wellbred black GSD. Dr. Buttar is a fan of the late Paska vom Salztalblick (as am I) and therefore has decided to use his lines by linebreeding on him. Is that good? I don't know really, as too much of it can cause problems. Only time can tell. But compared to what some so called breeders use, I would take a dog from him anytime. And yes, I hope that he finds good homes for his puppies but I have a feeling that he does with his resources and staff. Selling workingline puppies to the correct homes is a lot harder than showlines I still have a couple of Pike youngsters at home because of that. Just google Dr. Buttar and see what he has done in the medical field.
Regards, Chris Stump

I think alittle bit of jealous and misunderstanding is traveling a long way.  Why can't things be seen for what they really are and not make a mountain out of a mole hill. Some people seem to post here for the thrill of the drama and in that process stories and actual facts get twisted. Such a sad situation.  

I hope Silbersee has set the record straight on this mess and all this drama about the named dogs can be put to rest.  So sad innocent people have to defend themselves on something they are not even part of.  

That is why I posted, Hutchins. To make sure Dr. Buttar is not dragged through the mud here. He happens to love black GSD. I do, too (plus sables). Nothing wrong with it. I read a post of an old competitor a few years ago that he would not breed to black and tan (or bicolor) because he does not like these colors. Nobody objected (or dared to?).
I can only keep a couple of dogs and they have to be breed worthy in my eyes. Among my very stringent requirements, they have to have dark pigment (including eyes and gums). I see nothing wrong with that at all. It should be part of a reputable breeding.
Chris

i did not post here for drama... just calling it as i see it. i got 2 unsolicited e mails from the meadows and their current ad on pdb advertising the bomber pups still clearly stated that schH 1 females were incapable of becoming a 3 after all it is just a few weeks to a few months at worst of additional training to become a 3. thats probably not word for word but.... i have no doubt they have put some nice pups on the ground. i just question their missleading statements. so all the females koos hassing is using in his breeding are incapable of becoming a 3. REALLY. MAYBE THE MEADOWS SHOULD INFORM HIM. im sure he must be a very accomplished trainer to make such a statement. just sayin