A Noob's Guide/Journey to a Personal Protection GSD - Page 2

but you forgot to go to europe and visit the kennels like eurosport???

"as a general rule the easier a breeder is to find the worse his dogs will be. the only breeders worth talking to are the ones that breed for their own work and work their own dogs."

Interesting post, and I think you have a good point with this one.
The best breeders do not advertise like crazy and try and sell their dogs.  They are the quiet hardworking humble ones, the ones like you mentioned, that are busy working their dogs and trying to breed the best for their own use.
The big noisy sales people  are simply that, and are out to make a buck which is why they are breeding in the first place so quality suffers.

but you forgot to go to europe and visit the kennels like eurosport???
 

No I didn't, I actually did contact Eurosport (they were one of my six) and did not get a timely reply and then when I did get one they were very short not so helpful answers to my questions. I figure if someone that I'm trying to do business with is very aloof with basic information on what it is I'm trying to buy, I can only imagine how hard they would be to get ahold of after I give them money. 

worked for me and i aint one of the many posting a bad breeder story or such. the only sad thing is my breeder is getting older and is scaling down his work which by definition means he is scaling down his breeding as he will require less dogs. the line will soon dissapear in the form he had it without anyone much ever knowing they ever existed.

but you forgot to go to europe and visit the kennels like eurosport???
 

No I didn't, I actually did contact Eurosport (they were one of my six) and did not get a timely reply and then when I did get one they were very short not so helpful answers to my questions. I figure if someone that I'm trying to do business with is very aloof with basic information on what it is I'm trying to buy, I can only imagine how hard they would be to get ahold of after I give them money.

This is exactly why Eurosport was crossed of off my list as well.  It's a shame really.  The two emails I received from them  had a  combined four words.  I sent a deposit else where:)  They do have some very interetsing dogs!!!!

Thank you for your post.  My journey for a pup has been somewhat similar.  My goals are different than yours but I have spoken with or communicated by email with many breeders.  Most have been  helpful, some a little less than helpful and a few were truly outstanding.  The outstanding ones communicted well, were very cautious with me until they made a decision about my "credibility" for lack of better word, and once I cleared that hurdle, they couldn't stop talking about their dogs!  In the end I chose one breeder, but during the process I've made several friends. 

 

Awesome post. And very interesting also leaves us very surprised that all these people would be a ok selling you a dog that has been trained all the way to hidden sleeve work. With just what heres your money and now he will protect me forever and ever how cool is that! Just joking but seriously what a huge responsability having a full blown tactical ppd in your house.lve been training 12years and have yet to know of a ppd deployed properly what I do personaly know of is one kitchen fire that got way crazy ppd vrs firemen One case with a slip fall injury that got way wild ppd vrs good samaritan. The topper of all ppd vrs a 3year old toddler that the dog was purchased to protect that one ended bad all the way back to trainers that had worked the dog two years earlier as a puppy on a rag so lm all outa warnings and it this I'll wish you well

Kipka, I don't know what you mean by full blown tactical dog.  Who would place a dog that would eat up everyone in a situation like this?

First, you don't find dogs on the net.  This stuff is mostly entertainment.
second, anyone who is not a bullshhitter and is reputable, they will not sell you a dog, a ppd, without YOU being trained.  Training the owner is the real cost!  I remember a guy who told me he has many years of working dog experience and he tried to "ask" my dog for his tug.  He just wanted to see how he reacts.  Well, I was there.  No harm.  You MUST know 100% the trigger.  So does the average owner know this?  No.
training costs money.  So 25k total would not be expensive, especially if you really need such a tool.

It would be irrespinsible for any professional trainer to sell you a civil trained dog without proofing both you and the dog.  Also, understanding the legal ramifications and huge responsibility of owning such a dog dog is vital.
Getting a lawyer later is even more expensive.

and if they really are legit trainers, they will show you absolute control, not snarling growling crap.  Weak nerved dogs look impressive but are never ever good candidates for executive work.  And they will show you, not tell you on the net or on the phone.  Why?  First they want you to see what you are getting into and they want to assess YOU.

Great points you have made Peter Cho;  wish you well. 

Michael,
I'm glad it's working out for you.