there should be no more buyer beware - Page 2

The whole "guarantee" imo was started here in the states as an avenue to get "big bucks" out of their puppies. Even some European breeders have jumped on this bandwagon. That is all well and good as long as they stand behind their guarantee. Unfortunately many of these so called "breeders" are in this for the $. A good example is a "breeder" of working line dogs who doesn't work their dogs and belong to a working/sport club yet is consistently producing puppies for sale in the $1000-$2500 price range. Is that a breeder or is that a "BUISNESS VENTURE". And this place is FULL OF THEM. FWIW.

Personally I see no reason why we can't post "buyer beware" threads AS LONG as they are true, honest, and we have the proof to back up our warning. I was the victim of fraud this past summer from HK KENNEL in Egypt, I sent money to buy 2 dogs, then the seller/breeder fell off the face of the earth. I posted on here to hopefully save just one other potential buyer from losing their hard earned money as I had, and as soon as I posted others came on board and said they too had lost money to this man. If I'd have known about them before sending my money, I'd not have sent my money to him.  Hard lesson learned.  So all I can do now is warn others to be wary.

vk4gsd,
Perhaps I wasn't blount enough for you.  There are some breeders that will easily and quickly take advantage of a novice puppy buyer.  You need to be careful and it is truly buyer beware.  Some breeders offer guarantees with the knowledge that they will never replace a dog because people become so attached to their pets  Some breeders brag about their "warrantees" and "guarantees" then disappear as soon as a problem comes up.  

As Joan mentioned the internet can be a problem for both the breeder and the buyer.  Unscrupulous buyers can try to damage a breeders reputation while the market of puppy buyers is expanded exponentially to unscrupulous breeders.  These breeders can do business across the country or across the world and you may never know or meet who you are dealing with for your next pup.  Fortunately, I have been into GSD's for a little while now and I know whom I can trust.  I still constantly do research and have been surprised and shocked at times.  If your new to the GSD world, read everything you can, ask a lot of questions and soak it all in.  Attorneys are really not the answer and long drawn out legal contracts are barely worth the paper they are written on.  I have never had a contract with a breeder just an handshake and an understanding.  I wouldn't sign a contract, wouldn't accept limited registration or restrictions on any dog or pup that I buy.  I get my health clearances up front on older dogs and puppies are  a crap shoot.  If a breeder started bragging or guaranteeing things with a 7 week old pup I'd probably be very skeptical.

CMills i didn't mean that the forum should disallow such posts, i was ranting that poor ethics should now be assumed unless proven otherwise and legally backed.  buyers have to take control back by sending these scum out of business.

Vk4gsd, and does it also work the other way: all buyers should be assumed unethical unless proven otherwise? And how does a breeder find a buyer that is legally backed? Do you realize how many buyers are out there that a breeder has to wade through before a decent one comes along? Let me answer for you; there are a lot of them. And when a breeder gets snagged by one of those unqualified buyers, then what? You got burned by a scumbag, so if a grey dog attacked you and bit the crap out of you, would you then say ALL grey dog's are vicious? I'd just say that PARTICULAR grey dog was vicious. But that's just me.

@Minicus-exactly.  Unfortunately when I did a google search on the breeder I was looking to buy from, nothing red-flagged him, so I was unaware of his "sales" to the other people until too late. One doesn't ALWAYS find everything out on the 'net.

joanro why is buying a dog as far as a business transaction go have to be so different to a purchase of any other item - yes its a living thing etc but a transaction should carry some indemnity. and i would not buy from a breeder that did not interrogate me and want proof of exactly where the dog will be going, how it will live and what it will eat, do, references, personal meetings ...... but them pups cost money to produce at the end of the day and ya gotta move product any way you can.  simple fact too many dogs being born, too many breeders and too many bad homes to think that breeding to improve the breed is anything more than a fantasy. you ever seen the piles of dead dogs coming out of rescues - add them together you got a mountain of dead dogs every year (speaking all breeds here).

@cmills-Yes I understand what you are saying very unfortunate!! Something I would do if I was buying a puppy would be talk to local Shutzhund Clubs and trainers bad news generally travels fast.

So is that what the guy did that stole your money; interrogate you, get references, meet you personally, and all that other happy stuff that couldn't possibly be lied about by an unscrupulous buyer? Bet not.
I didn't abandon all those dogs that are killed at "shelters" , unscrupulous owners did.
People who are vindictive to other people probably do the same to their dogs, so it's good to know who the vindictive ones are.