Don't break out the Cheetos just yet - Page 2

Moons - worth that just for the beautific smile on Mr Nelson's face !.

Oh BE that's way too funny. And that's the thing--it does make things funny, give you the munchies (I call that chocolate covered cat shit cause even that might sound good when you were real stoned!!!!!) and no one wants to fight and all that. Attacking pihranas--I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moons I totally agree about ciggarettes. I quit once for 13 years. Why did I ever start back? Well that's when I had that accident and I had nothing better to do so I started out with those little cigars the gangsters smoke. I forget what they're called now. Black and Milds and gradually worked my way back up to regular ciggarettes. I hate myself for ever starting back--you're right all the things that are in them that keep us addicted. I have tried and tried. Once I quit for 3 days and man I was the bitch from hell. I've tried the gum, counseling, everything. So I guess I am just stuck in this rut. At least we have smoke shops here and they are fairly reasonable. I pay 71 for 2 cartons of Pall Mall menthol 100's.
Now about the laws--I wonder how that is going to play out too. On MSNBC election night they were talking about it passing in CO and WA and they were interviewing the Gov of CO and asking him. He never really answered any of their questions--he sort of just stood there with a smile on his face. Hmmmm maybe THAT's why it passed so easily there!!!!!
Well I think the reason it is so high here is because we had a sheriff that was elected to come in and clean up all the drugs in Murray County. He now has a lawsuit filed on him for beating the shit out of a teenager and one of his deputies has 6 filed on him for beating people up--a teenage girl included. He no longer works there. So we had another election along with the Prez one and they elected an older man who I heard is real laid back. So maybe prices will come down and things will get a little more normal. I would pay 50 and still bitch about it. But 120 is too far out there. When my connection called and said they had some and then told me how much it was, I asked were they selling a lot and she said yes. Hell that ought to create a major crime wave right there!!!!!!  Honestly I have grown some here but when those guys got to arresting people and beating them up I sort of got scared. So now that we are getting someone new I might just start some this Feb in the house. Anyway I'm glad you brought up this topic because at least it's a happy one........................

Ya, a happy one until the police show up, kill us and our dogs for someone's anonomous tip we might have rolling papers.

RIP Jose Guerena

When I was young my parents had several friends in law enforcement and they were just like you and me, but basically likeable and good natured.
Then in my early teens I met my first cop on the street that I didn't know and it almost got me killed, this has been repeated dozens of times over the years.
They scare the crap out of me now because they do have the power of life and death over you, worst now is who these departments are hiring, these skin heads with post traumatic stress disorder fresh in from a war with attitudes and a warrior mentality.

In all fairness Jim, as individuals many are still good people and it's a shame others ruin the trust and just like in some of those videos are not protecting or serving the public but rather become brutal and puppets of the state.
I just wanted you to know Jim we haven't met and I do not include you personally in my assessment of law enforcement, I do take individuals on their own merit.

Still I must agree with BE, even for something non-violent as toking up on private property your at risk of extreme proportions, hell in the seventies we were getting high in public.

As for weed, it has it's good points and I am fully aware of it's bad points, but it should not be demonized as it is today.
It's a fricken wild herb for christs sake.
There are other natural substances many times more powerful.

I really don't want it made legal because the controls would carry with them more government, more tracking of individual activity and the product would be substandard.
Just decriminalize it to a misdemeanor and concentrate on the poisons like meth, heroin, and cocaine.

I would take getting high over getting drunk anyday.

If you want to make something illegal go after these dangerous anti-depressants and please stop giving them to children.

The only reason pot is illegal is because the intel agencies make huge amounts of money for black ops and the major wall street banks make billions laundering (cleaning) the money.  It's a well established fact that illegal drug revenues are a major financial factor for the shadow govt. If  this source of massive funding was cut off, major wall street banks would fail in a month and the mexican and colombian cartels which were started and are run by Intel would collapse in weeks.  Excessive pot smoking can be a detriment to some folks oevrall functioning, but does not approach the dangers of alcohol or other drugs (many of which are by prescription).  Basically pot is an issue of personal freedom and it is not anyone else's business what one east or ingests or smokes as long as it doesn't directly harm anyone else. When folks abuse alcohol and harm others they are legally liable.  If completely legalized, the same would be true for pot use if one abuses it and drives careflessly under its influence. Prohibition should have taught the people that prohibition of pot is counterproductive, it didn't work then and it can't work now. 

And then you have the private prison industry and quotas for required numbers of prisoners which many judges comply with.  Building and filling prisons with non-violent drug users is absurd and is little more than Russian gulag stuff.  There is a showdown coming now between states rights (10th Amendment) and the federal drug laws and parctices.  The feds define pot as a dangerous narcotic which is nonsense.  Of course the truth is that they are protecting the HUGE BUSINESS of USG drug trafficking for off the books black ops. Now that some states have legalized pot use in limited uses, you can expect the feds to continue busting folks in those states until they are stopped by mass pressure of the citizens. By the way, the amount of money provided by confiscation of property in pot busts is astounding and the USG shares it with local police.  this is a big plum for them. 

There is so much documentation and testimony of what I have stated here it is no longer contestable.  Of course the mainstream media is prohibited from covering these stiories, but anyone who dares to learn the truth can search them out.  One can start with Narconews, madcow news, and there are over 25 books which fully document this and numerous affividavits and depositions of DEA, CIA and federal LE officers which support what I have stated here. And let us not forget the industruial/farming value of hemp (not intoxuicating).  It can provide materuial for paper, rope, clothing, food, fuel, etc.  It was an important farm crop for our founding fathers before it was fremoved by large corporate interests.

Have you ever tried to smoke hemp,  I have, it still grows in places on the river bank where it was once grown commercially.
Might as well make paper out of it..lol

Yes Preston,
There is far more money to be made if it is illegal.

Marijuana is an herb
The Poppy is just a flower
Coca is a tree.
Peyote is a cactus
Mushrooms are fungi
Belladonna a weed (deadly nightshade)

Penicillin is fungi
Aspirin is from tree bark
Quinine also from tree back

All found in nature,
It is man that process's, profits from and abuses what nature provides.

RIP, to my partner and condolences to his family, wife and three kids, shot and killed by a non violent marijuana grower, user and dealer.  Moons, we have different experiences and perspectives.  Believe me, I see the violent side of marijuana and narcotics.  I can post pictures of teenagers shot in their head over a marijuana deal.  I can post pictures of guys and girls killed in automobile accidents who were high, how about the infant with the broken femur and spine.  How about the guy who took his buddy's crotch rocket and hit a tree at 90 mph's stoned; completely decapitating him.  He was unrecognizable except his family ID'd the body by the huge tattoo of a pot leave on his shoulder, kind of ironic.  I get to make the notifications to the mom and dad, or husband and wife.  But, hey it's a victimless crime.  I could care less if they legalize it, if they do great.  If they don't I'll still do my job and enforce the laws.  I have interviewed hundreds of marijuana users in my career, one thing that always strikes me funny is when I ask "do you smoke to get high" the answer is always "yes."  My next question is "do you smoke and drive?"  Many respond "yes, I drive better when I'm high."     Anyone, thinking "I agree with that" is a moron or just simply stoned....as usual.  

Legalize it, my job will be easier and I will focus on DUID's...Driving under the influence of drugs.  We have been very several prosecuting those, just like a DUI.  As it is now, where I work it is not legal.  If people smoke it in their houses and stay inside I don't care.  I am on traffic stops every night and get weed out of cars every day.   If people deal it and I knock on your door, I'd appreciate it if you don't shoot at me through a closed door and killed one of us over some plants.   

I'm not going to debate this or get into another one of the famous PDB Hot Topics again.  It has all been done before, but you and BE should certainly carry on by all means.  We can simply respect each others views and differences.  I'm sure you'll understand if I don't post on this thread again.  

I would expect the housing market in Colorado will be experiencing a boom.  But the economic impact on the tree shaped air freshener company is going to be devastating.   

Preston,




I am going to politely ask that people refrain from responding back to me on this thread.  I'd really rather not say anything else on the topic.  

Thanks!

Jim,
I agree with you violence and drugs go hand in hand, because it is so profitable, but this goes to the individual, bad people do bad things no matter what they are involved in.
My sincere condolences, I too lost friends to a drug related murder, the perpetrators have since been released from prison.

No one should be driving impaired by any substance legal or not, including prescription medicines.

i respect your opinions and do want to hear them.
You have practical experiences that others do not.
We agree on more than you know Jim.

Moons.

Actually Colorado and Washington State both decriminalized marijuana with that Amendment 64 ... I think people can start growing and smoking after December 6th of this year !!!  lol

Can you imaging that ... I'd prolly stop planting corn, alfalfa and timothy crops and start planting marijuana crops !!! lol I'd be rich in one season !!!!