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My dog has everything and more except the thyroid, cardiac, and DM but people only want to breed to VA studs or WUSV competitors...

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Liesjers, yes, the OP included a V conformation rating, but said nothing about having to be VA rated, nor about WUSV competition...

Personally, I'm not hung up on international competition in a dog's bona fides--first off, just because a dog (or bitch) performs well in their particular venue does NOT guarantee they can PRODUCE equally as well. 

As for a VA rating, in all honesty my taste runs more to the dogs that are V-rated at the major shows, not the VAs; I don't care for the 'arched' topline (as it's defended...sorry, to me that topline is a ROACHED back, not an arche one) that so many of the VA dogs at the BSZS seem to have. 

If you notice, one of the two dogs I brought up in the discussion is only SG rated at present.  BUT he's also just 3 years old, and if shown again I would expect him to get V-rated if he's in show-ring condition and show-ring trained.  That stuff matters, when it comes to show ratings.

So, Liesjers. Forgive my ignorance, but WHO is your dog?  Brag on him, so he gets noticed and thought about when the subject of prospective stud dogs arises! 

Hexe...thanks! OREX is nice!! 

I am seeking only proven stud dogs to be listed here who have had many litters. Thus,  leaning towards older dogs (even deceased) because it doesn't matter how awesome a dog is; it only matters what they actually throw to their offspring on a consistent basis!

I have had an IMPOSSIBLE time finding a V rated German dog that does not have a roach or front legs camped underneathe their bodies. It's weird as I only find these traits in German showlines. The American bred dogs have great fronts and toplines....I'll give them that!! The working lines can have nice fronts and toplines too but the moevement is not always as strong (and I am looking for big, clean movement as part of a balanced stud dog).

However, I am thinking a workingline dog that can show might be my best bet (but I don't want the crazy high drives).  Also, I have not found a working line dog on par movement wise with a top showline. *sigh*

Weird that nobody has any other suggestions. I am thinking that is pretty scary...yikes!!

Sara

Hexe, "proven studs" is what gets people.  How is someone with a really nice dog supposed to prove anything if the same two dozen or so dogs get all the breedings?  When I am ready to breed my dog I will brag on him but I don't want to derail this thread.  Also as I said he does *not* have every single OFA test done and probably never will (I don't believe in that for several reasons but again, not the point of this thread) so he does not meet the OPs criteria.

Sara, how about Boy von Zorra?  He's sired several litters (I currently have a 2 year old son that I just sold), I am not sure how many but I can think of at least six off the top of my head.  Boy is V rated (he has beaten a VA1 dog in conformation and was V rated multiple times, once at a Sieger Show), SchH3.  Working line dog but I can vouch for his temperament.  Many of his progeny are awesome house pets, not crazy dogs with no off switch.

So sad to hear that Arolser Holz breeder passed away!  I've really admired that working line kennel!  Shelley R has an older male from this kennel who is superb in structure and I believe that he moves very well too?

Perhaps one of those V rated solid black studs I listed in the other thread will fit your criteria?

Smiley, I would have to agree with Liesjers about this dog being worthy of consideration as well. Certainly a beautifully built dog, 7 years old, son of proven producer Hutch Dunklen Zwinger.  Likewise, there's 6 year old, V rated Bandit Wolfsheim or 7 year old H'Doc Rex Lupus; both have a rather large number of offspring on the ground, from both showline and working line bitches...but I doubt any of those three V-rated dogs are lights under bushel baskets for anyone who watches what's going on with breeding of European line GSDs in the US or Canada.  Nor should Raino Flugge's homebred Kofi be overlooked, either; V-rated, beautifully correct in structure, and as far as I can see, woefully underused.

This dog actually does work full-time; V rated in conformation and HGH titled, at 4 yrs old does have some progeny on the ground, but not a dog that would come to mind for most when thinking about possible stud dogs.  In fact, I'm not sure he's even available to outside females, but there's certainly nothing lost in inquiring.

I do agree with Liesjers regarding the need for young dogs to be used if they're going to become proven--but personally, I would not want to use a male younger than four years, just because I like to see SOME sort of evidence that the dog isn't going to break down physically or mentally as a result of being worked.  It's great to see a 2 year old dog set the world ablaze with stunning trial performances, but not so much impressive when that same dog needs to have surgery to repair herniated discs or torn cruciates when they're 5 or 6 years old... 

Of course, since I'm not now, nor ever likely, to breed GSDs (or any other breed of dog), it's an academic subject to a great extent for me; yet I still have a keen interest in seeing others breeding dogs that are correct in structure, temperament and working ability, which are also attractive and a pleasure to live with, and which remain healthy both physically and mentally well into their -teen years of age.
 

EuroShepherd, yes, Shelley has her T, formally known as Carol v Arolser Holz, and has had several others, both male and female, from this kennel over the years... You could practically make a template of the silhouette of an Arolser Holz dog, and laying it over any other dogs from this kennel find it fit perfectly, that's how evenly and uniformly Herr Sitzmann's line seems to have been.

And I can affirm that the movement of the Arolser Holz dogs rivals any showlines gaiting, they are just beautiful to watch. Carol is Beckett's sire, & both have gorgeous movement. And Beckett certainly has an off switch. He is a perfect gentleman in our home, where he lives. I am sorry to her that Herr Sitzmann has passed on. jackie harris

Thanks guys for the additional dogs...I will definitely check them out!

Liesjers....proven stud. Yes, I am only looking for a proven stud. I have no problem with breeding to an unproven stud IF I have a PROVEN bitch! Unfortunately, I have an maiden bitch and, therefore, I am looking for a proven stud!

As it is, I am starting my search a bit early as I still have some work to do with her regarding gaining additional titles!! But, I figured it's never to early to start looking!! LOL

Plus, she still needs her final OFA for hips and elbows. Her prelims were fine and she has OFA numbers for cardiac, thyroid, Shoulders, DM, and Full Dentition.

The thing is I am trying to straddle the AKC Show world and the working dog world so I need a very particular "look" (without sacrificing nerves or working ability). I will know it when I see it!! Those who have had dogs in both worlds will know the "type" I am seeking......

Sara