Use my male for breeding, how does that work? - Page 2

I was just curious in case somebody was looking for "new blood" sort to speak........
 
 Your dog, off of Mason's Kennel's Blackneck's A'F Mojoe, would be competing with Ario, 2010 DVG National Champ or his sons with Fontaine d'Or Nelija (PSA Champ) - Maxey's Norskey, Ronan and Xander (all PSA champs). 
 
That is some stiff competition.

BM1,
 
If you really want to get into breeding pets like Oak Tree Kennel, you will not find a lot of support from this forum. If you want to breed AKC show, you will get a little more suport (maybe) - but you are going to have to get AKC conformation titles. If you want to breed working dogs for sport or police, then get some sport titles. You asked the forum for advice and that's what you're getting. This forum tends to frown on pet breeding because we feel it just ruins the purpose of the breed. If you really like your dog and want to see if he is breed worthy, first have him evaulated for conformation or sport (Schutzhund, French Ring, Mondio Ring, PSA) or search and rescue, etc. If he shows potental, then get going and put some titles or certifications on him. See how he matures and responds to training and trialing. You will find that it is time consuming and hard work, but really satisfying. But if you just want to stick your dog out there as a stud for pet breeding, you are not going to find support on this forum. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
 
And no, you do not have to neuter your dog even if you don't breed him. In fact, if you are going to do any of the protection sports, you will probably want to keep him intact.

Ok, at least you seemed to have calmed down. At first I was just asking because I was curious and I am surprised at how people attack on these fourms.

Maybe what would be helpful would be for breeders to talk about what they look for in a stud dog, vs this specific dog.  Then if the OP wants to use his dog as stud, he's got an idea of the critera the dog is going to need to meet.

The basic criteria I look for in a stud dog, in no particular order are:

Health checks - not just "my vet says he's healthy" but OFA/Pennhip/CERF certifications
Temperament - solid temperament BOTH in and OUT of drive, how biddable are they, how resilient to corrections, social/neutral, etc
Drive - not just high drives in one area, but across the board prey, hunt, etc
Structure - I breed working Malinois, I'm less concerned with things like ear set, the perfect mask, and more concerned with structure and any possible issues that may affect the dogs ability to work, but I do want them to be recognizable as a Malinois
Pedigree - doesn't matter how awesome a dog is if I know it's pedigree doesn't blend well with what I have, or I'm looking to do a linebreeding and he's unrelated.  Plus I want to see in the pedigree a depth of dogs that were also breeding quality and met the same criteria I'm outlining here, not just direct ancestors but I want to know about littermates also
Working style - grip quality, attitude, etc
Titles - not a requirement, but if the dog isn't titled, I want to know why.  And I want to see a titable level of training on the dog.  A monster biter with no control doesn't impress me.  I've met to many "monsters" who fall apart once control is put on them.  Show me that same dog, with a titleable level of control, and still being a monster in the work, then I'm impressed.
Testing - I will want to see the dog tested.  I want to see the dog worked outside of their comfort zone.  If it's an MR or BR dog, what happens with FR style stick work and esquives?  If it's an FR or Sch dog what happens when we use environmental accesories?  I want to see the dog sent into dark rooms, slick floors, high/unstable surfaces, etc.  How does that effect their grips and courage? 
Past production - If the dog is owned by someone else, I'd like to see if someone else has bred to it and what it produced.  Every dog has a "first litter", but if it's not one of my own dogs, I'd rather let someone else take that risk the first time :-)  Mr Awesome may only be Mr Average when it comes to production  With my own males, I'll take that risk myself, or males from my program, since I know their pedigrees for generations, and know what they should combine well with.
Size - depends on the breeding, sometimes I need to go to a larger dog, sometimes a medium sized dog

And once all this has been done, you still won't have people lining up to breed to your dog, unless you happen to have one of those rare "flavor of the year" stud dogs that happens on occasion in the breed.  The majority of male Malinois in the US will go through their life without ever being bred.  Most dogs who are bred to more than 3 times in their lives are stud dogs owned by a kennel.  Only occasionally in the breed is a male not owned by an actively breeding kennel use more than once or twice.  I can go to an FR, Sch, or MR trial and out of all the dogs there, only see 1 or 2 that I'm interested in researching further as possible stud dogs.  There may be more dogs of interest at first glance, but usually I see a few things that take the dog off my list of dogs I'd consider for breeding once I start watching them.  Or the dog looks really good on the field but once I start researching pedigrees, or health checks, or past production it comes off the list.

If your dog does pass the criteria a breeder is using to select a stud dog, then how it works is however the two of you feel is fair.  There is usually a standard stud fee for your dog, based on his accomplisments, how well he's produced, etc.  Somewhere around the price of a pup is fairly normal.  Then you have to decide what sort of gaurantee's you offer.  What happens if the female doesn't get pregnant, only has one pup, etc.  And what criteria are you going to look for in a female that you will agree to allow to be bred to your male.  Because "she's here, she's in heat, and they have the cash" isn't a good enough reason to breed him.  Does she meet the criteria I outlined for a stud?  Does the breeder have homes lined up?  How do they care for their dogs, how will the litter be raised, will the be placed in the best homes possible, or the first home that shows up with cash?  All of this and more should be considered by anyone with a male thinking about allowing him to be bred to.

I agree whole heartedly with Malndobe and JudyP, and Hunger4justice.  All excellent points.

It may seem like an attack on you, BM1, but it's nocessarily directed AT you.

People in the Malinois world have time and time again seen dogs bred for less than stellar reasons.  A good pedigree, nice temperment and good looks isn't going to cut it.  That is how breeds are ruined.  Just becase you have a purebred dog that YOU think is wonderful and has all the right parts doesn't mean it should be bred.  

I personally believe you should breed the best to the best.  It may be hard to hear, but your fur-kid may not be the best.

There are so so many lovely PROVEN Malinois out there with numerous titles, health checks etc.  Take your time, do your training, every health check you can and resesarch  BEFORE even THINKING about breeding any dog.  Most importantly enjoy your puppy!  They grow up too darn fast :-) 

A lack of education and knowledge can really hinder a breed.  Good luck, and post some pictures of your little guy!