BH - Page 2

Yogi, I agree with you. Like I said, depends on the judge. I have a dog that has been ready for a Bh for 18 months. What's the rush, right? The only reason I'd do it is to get to a 1. I need a 1 for the 2, and a 2 for the 3.

Chaz - I know people/dogs that have been ready for years....... until you make the committment - who is to say they will make it or not....  been ready for 18 months?   is it perfection that you seek?  or just laziness?  or fright that maybe your dog might fail?  From your comment on this thread - not familiar with simple points that can be taken away..?.........I know you are a jokester-just based on past that I have read....so not sure if you are serious or just stirring the pot......but I will bite..........

- it doesnt matter if they are ready and have been for that long..........You obviously don't know what is required of a simple temperment test.....if your dog is ready for the bh-----from your post IPO1? 2?  that comes next right?...  that handler help can fail your dog in the schutzhund routines........

.. just thinking aloud -........ the ob routine - you can move you feet in the retrieve exercise and loose the entire points in the exercise....(you!!! nothing to do with the dog)....  tracking 20 points is based on the handler - they deduct for "handler" help......if your dogs is PERFECT - than you should have no problem if handler help doesnt matter in the routines .......bh excluded..........since your dog is ready and has been...it wont be a perfect routine since you don't know what to do as  a handler.........you will get at least a 80 with your dogs perfection  and your weakness..........I train my dog - but who trains you?  You should know these things if you plan to trial your dog in schutzhund.......you know your dog has been ready for a bh for 18 months -how old is he/she?   how do you know that he/she is ready? - if you dont know that handler help will be deducted from "your" dogs score?  you obviously havent done your homework...

Points are "fail" or pass in the 1,2,3 - hard enough to get them with your dog doing what "he" needs to do - why would you want to add to the failure of your dog with your errors and not know that it matters?

Not trying to start a war here with an attack - not meaning to attack you either - just a conversation and trying to understand why you say what you say - joke or no joke - this person had a valid question - and you answered it ......... right or wrong - they will pick what they want to stand by - and if it is right they will succeed and if wrong - will realize it and move on to the next bit of advise......  We pick what we want to and leave the rest......same here.

Again, just my opinion though.

Yogie

Yogie

Yogi, the goal is a 3. I merely need the others to get to that point. I can train to my goal of a 3 and go from there. My goal isn't a Bh. So why the rush to get it? So I cam hang the paper certificate in my den? No thanks.

I saw two people fail recently because their dogs made mistakes and they didn't know how to proceed at that point, so there has to be a balance between training for perfection and knowing what to do if/when the dog makes a mistake.  In both cases the dogs would have passed if the handlers had acted differently after the mistake but because they didn't know what to do when the dogs botched that exercise (long down) they ended up losing all the points instead of some.

Training for the 3 is a given -most of us train in the same manner - backward!!!! - but to minimize something you feel is so simple - will be your undoing....... it isnt about the bh certificate Chaz  - a paper hanging on your wall - this is about handler help and is it allowed in schutzhund......the poster simple ask it in relation to the bh -

In the bigger picture- schutzhund 3 backward to the bh - it isn't permissible...  it is deductions...... so you can train all you want for the three but if you as a handler don't know what is expected of you as a handler during that schutzhund 3 routine - it means you and your dog will never get there...  no rush of course - but when you do decide your dog is "ready" - then do him a favor and at least know how to the dance goes in the schutzhund routine..   All the rule books talk  about faulty exercises - and guess what? handler help will declare it faulty - even if your dog does it perfect.  

I don't care if you never get a bh or a 3 - but at least give correct advise if somebody asks...

The End.

YogieBear

Lol. A one eyed snapping turtle can get a bh.

UPDATE:  Did my BH Saturday at Indy and the Boxer passed with little handler help.  Had to give two commands for the sit out of motion.
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