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by Ruger1 on 22 June 2012 - 17:06
GSDguy,,I am saying that IMO, the SL people on the PDB do not support an extreme carriage in the rear,,IMO I think that when giving a critique the SL people on the PDB are fair in saying when a extreme is present..I am weary of comments that suggest that the SL people here on the PDB support an over angulated GSD,,Yes, maybe over angulated when compared to some common/traditional structured WL's, but not over angulated to the degree that we see in some extreme SL..
by djc on 22 June 2012 - 17:06
I have to say it IS the stack and the photo angle, not the bitch herself. She is well muscled, substantial and has large head and bone. Anyone familiar with gsd's should be able to tell she is just off balance because of the poor stack and is in a stay.
The other thing is, I don't know why some people seem to think that a gsd stack is so unnatural!! My dogs do it NATURALLY ALL THE TIME!! EVEN my wl's!!
To generalize and say that all sl people like extreme angle is absurd. They are a very small minority.
Debby
The other thing is, I don't know why some people seem to think that a gsd stack is so unnatural!! My dogs do it NATURALLY ALL THE TIME!! EVEN my wl's!!
To generalize and say that all sl people like extreme angle is absurd. They are a very small minority.
Debby
by joanro on 22 June 2012 - 17:06
Over- angulated is over-angulated, period. And sometimes pictures don't lie and it really is the dog. Dogs should stand up on their legs, not down like a rabbit. Ever see a rabbit walking, then something moves in the distance and they freeze mid-stride ? Their posture remarkably resembles the pose of the dog posted....they press up on front legs and hind legs are strung out behind, one hock on ground,the rump close to the ground. Dogs aren't supposed to look like rabbits in freeze mode before bolting for cover.
by djc on 22 June 2012 - 18:06
Over angulation can be seen as relative on the part of the viewer. There is a breed standard that includes angulation. If a person doesn't like angulation and the way many many gsd's stand naturally then maybe that person needs to choose another breed rather than continuously whine and complain!
Debby
Debby
by joanro on 22 June 2012 - 18:06
Thankfully there are many, many GSDs that don't stand like a rabbit fixin' to bolt down a hole...
by e c street on 23 June 2012 - 05:06
I believe this dog is over stretched as depicted by the hock not being perpendicular. A perpendicular hock would give a better idea of its angulation. But I agree with Nancy that from a professional point of view the angle from which this picture was taken does not lend itself for good critiquing. I also notice a break in the topline showing what I think to be "a roach". As the back comes to about the position of the end of the ribs the back takes a decided downward slope all the way to the end of the tail bone. If this break were to be straighten out it appears that the croup would be flat. Just my opinion. I do not think I would like to own this dog. ecs
by Rik on 23 June 2012 - 13:06
Looks like a pretty nice dog to me, but that's subjective isn't it. As said before, over stretched, but I would not say over angled. The rear is not over long and I doubt the hock could come close to being placed flat on the ground. The hocks also appear to be straight, which is becoming more and more rare.
I guess the part I do not agree with is those taking and using pictures of others dogs without permission, especially for poor comments. Did the OP get permission.
And really, what benefit is gained from "expert" commentary from folks who cannot show both good and bad examples from their own dogs.
jmo,
Rik
I guess the part I do not agree with is those taking and using pictures of others dogs without permission, especially for poor comments. Did the OP get permission.
And really, what benefit is gained from "expert" commentary from folks who cannot show both good and bad examples from their own dogs.
jmo,
Rik
by Gustav on 23 June 2012 - 14:06
Actually, I think there is an imbalance between the forefront and the rear. I think the shoulder assembly is more like SL, and the rear is much more moderate and similar to working dogs. Look at the length of stifle....its not too long or exaggerated. I just don't think she is as balanced as she could be, notwithstanding the stack. I will say that I appreciate that she is standing on her pads(feet). There is nothing uglier to me than to see a dog upright with one leg on hocks as opposed to its pads.
Seems like a nice dog.....who knows/
Seems like a nice dog.....who knows/
by Blitzen on 23 June 2012 - 23:06
I hate to tell you guys this, but ANY and I do mean ANY GSD can be stretched and set up to look very much like this dog. Try it sometime in front of a mirror with your own dogs. If you can't see this dog is set up all wrong, and photographed from the wrong angle, then you need to study canine anatomy a little more.
Do you really think this dog would look the same if someone like Jimmie Moses or Heidi Theis set her up? Get real and stop judging and commenting on dogs by looking at poor pictures or post some photos of your own dogs for a critique.
Do you really think this dog would look the same if someone like Jimmie Moses or Heidi Theis set her up? Get real and stop judging and commenting on dogs by looking at poor pictures or post some photos of your own dogs for a critique.
by Gustav on 23 June 2012 - 23:06
I think pretty much everyone is saying that the stack is incorrect
, seems like a decent dog to me.
, seems like a decent dog to me.Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top