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by Rass on 13 June 2012 - 17:06
From their Puppy Contract..
It seems parasites and coccidia are a kennel problem:
"Seller certifies that this puppy is a purebred German Shepherd Dog of sound body, good health, and free of communicable diseases as far as appears to the eye. Said Puppy has been checked by a certified veterinarian at 7 (seven) weeks of age and was deemed healthy. De-wormings and first immunizations will have been completed and a copy of the same will be provided for health records. It is recognized that intestinal parasites (worms, coccidia, giardia, etc.) are common in puppies, and are part of a puppy's early development, but we make every effort to prevent parasites. (Attached find information regarding coccidia"
And there is this:
"Puppies will be wormed 3-4 times before leaving for their new home and receive, at least, their first puppy vaccination. Often, however, the stress of change and travel can cause intestinal parasites to emerge. Buyer agrees to continue parasite testing and treatment (if necessary) with their veterinarian. Buyer is encouraged to have the puppy examined by their own veterinarian within 72 (seventy-two) hours after purchase of the puppy. If the examination discloses SERIOUS health problems, of which may permanently disable the animal or cause death, or an untreatable infectious illness, which are not caused by conditions after receipt, the puppy must be returned to THE BREEDER, immediately, for an exchange of a healthy puppy, at Buyers expense."
and this:
"Seller warrants the puppy for 12 months to be free of genetic disease that would cause severe disability or death. Seller warrants the hips of Puppy to OFA standard. Hips are warranted to be FREE OF MODERATE TO SEVERE HIP DYSPLASIA"
It seems parasites and coccidia are a kennel problem:
"Seller certifies that this puppy is a purebred German Shepherd Dog of sound body, good health, and free of communicable diseases as far as appears to the eye. Said Puppy has been checked by a certified veterinarian at 7 (seven) weeks of age and was deemed healthy. De-wormings and first immunizations will have been completed and a copy of the same will be provided for health records. It is recognized that intestinal parasites (worms, coccidia, giardia, etc.) are common in puppies, and are part of a puppy's early development, but we make every effort to prevent parasites. (Attached find information regarding coccidia"
And there is this:
"Puppies will be wormed 3-4 times before leaving for their new home and receive, at least, their first puppy vaccination. Often, however, the stress of change and travel can cause intestinal parasites to emerge. Buyer agrees to continue parasite testing and treatment (if necessary) with their veterinarian. Buyer is encouraged to have the puppy examined by their own veterinarian within 72 (seventy-two) hours after purchase of the puppy. If the examination discloses SERIOUS health problems, of which may permanently disable the animal or cause death, or an untreatable infectious illness, which are not caused by conditions after receipt, the puppy must be returned to THE BREEDER, immediately, for an exchange of a healthy puppy, at Buyers expense."
and this:
"Seller warrants the puppy for 12 months to be free of genetic disease that would cause severe disability or death. Seller warrants the hips of Puppy to OFA standard. Hips are warranted to be FREE OF MODERATE TO SEVERE HIP DYSPLASIA"
by Rass on 13 June 2012 - 17:06
the last is this from the contract on their website for a Pet Puppy:
"This warranty expires when the puppy turns 24 (twenty-four") months old. The pups hips must be x-rayed between the age of two by a certified veterinarian skilled at producing hip x-rays for OFA evaluation. These x-rays must be submitted to OFA.
The pup is guaranteed by the breeder to certify in preliminary OFA x-ray WITHOUT MODERATE HIP DYSPLASIA.
If the pup is not rated Excellent, Good, or Fair, and therefore moderately to severely dysplastic the Buyer has the option of a replacement puppy. If Buyer opts to keep their puppy, they MUST be SPAYED/NEUTERED by their veterinarian and proof must be provided Seller PRIOR to receiving a new puppy.
AKC Paperwork must be returned in order to receive replacement.."
This was extracted from a faulty zip file on their site.
"This warranty expires when the puppy turns 24 (twenty-four") months old. The pups hips must be x-rayed between the age of two by a certified veterinarian skilled at producing hip x-rays for OFA evaluation. These x-rays must be submitted to OFA.
The pup is guaranteed by the breeder to certify in preliminary OFA x-ray WITHOUT MODERATE HIP DYSPLASIA.
If the pup is not rated Excellent, Good, or Fair, and therefore moderately to severely dysplastic the Buyer has the option of a replacement puppy. If Buyer opts to keep their puppy, they MUST be SPAYED/NEUTERED by their veterinarian and proof must be provided Seller PRIOR to receiving a new puppy.
AKC Paperwork must be returned in order to receive replacement.."
This was extracted from a faulty zip file on their site.
by Jersey Girl 22 on 13 June 2012 - 17:06
Hip Xrays for Justice Jr. taken the best i could with camera phone. I know the positioning is bad but I dont think repositioning them would make them any better. I tried to make them big so you can see them good. Let me know what you all think please.
by Rass on 13 June 2012 - 17:06
From what their website says, you need to submit the Xrays to OFA for a determination and if they dog is bad per OFA he needs to be neutered and you can get a replacement.
Of course, if you don't have the paper work you haven't got much of anything.
YOU are going to have to deal with this. It may mean you need to get a lawyer involved.. but w/o paperwork, you don't have a lot to work with.
From your post it was unclear if this breeder is inbreeding Father to daughter? When you post, can you PLEASE use PUNCTUATION and Paragraphs so your posts are readable? Thanks and good luck.
Of course, if you don't have the paper work you haven't got much of anything.
YOU are going to have to deal with this. It may mean you need to get a lawyer involved.. but w/o paperwork, you don't have a lot to work with.
From your post it was unclear if this breeder is inbreeding Father to daughter? When you post, can you PLEASE use PUNCTUATION and Paragraphs so your posts are readable? Thanks and good luck.
by Niesia on 13 June 2012 - 18:06
I visited their website and their puppy contract seems well put together and very detailed. They admit that if the HD is diagnosed in dogs under 18 months of age - it's genetic and they give full guarantee. Link to the contract http://www.willowvalleygsd.com/FWThumbnails/Willow%20Valley%20German%20Shepherds%20PET%20CONTRACT.docx
I'm sorry you don't have a contract for this pup. I don't know if Ohio has a lemon law and I don't know if the NJ lemon law applies to the out of state seller. You will need to contact a lawyer to find out what you can do. But first you have to provide any written proof (i.e. cashed checked specifying what the amount was for, contract, shipping slip, etc.) of buying this particular pup (i.e. microchip identification #, AKC #, etc.) from this particular breeder. If this case ends up in court (probably small claims court), you will have to prove that this dog was bred by this particular breeder and that you are the person that purchased this particular dog directly from him (unless breeder admits to it in court).
If it goes to court you will also need to prepare yourself to proving that there was no negligence on your side in taking care of the pup while in your care, i.e.: vet receipts starting with the first check up done after his arrival, food bills, etc. Breeder's contract specify this as well.
I'm sorry but I do not believe that you would be lucky enough, even if you win in court, that the breeder will be made to pay for the very expensive hip replacement surgery in your pup. Probably, in the best case, you will get your money back and you won't have to return the dog to get this refund.
The pictures of the hips you provided look pretty bad, could you please post a picture of your dog.
I'm sorry you don't have a contract for this pup. I don't know if Ohio has a lemon law and I don't know if the NJ lemon law applies to the out of state seller. You will need to contact a lawyer to find out what you can do. But first you have to provide any written proof (i.e. cashed checked specifying what the amount was for, contract, shipping slip, etc.) of buying this particular pup (i.e. microchip identification #, AKC #, etc.) from this particular breeder. If this case ends up in court (probably small claims court), you will have to prove that this dog was bred by this particular breeder and that you are the person that purchased this particular dog directly from him (unless breeder admits to it in court).
If it goes to court you will also need to prepare yourself to proving that there was no negligence on your side in taking care of the pup while in your care, i.e.: vet receipts starting with the first check up done after his arrival, food bills, etc. Breeder's contract specify this as well.
I'm sorry but I do not believe that you would be lucky enough, even if you win in court, that the breeder will be made to pay for the very expensive hip replacement surgery in your pup. Probably, in the best case, you will get your money back and you won't have to return the dog to get this refund.
The pictures of the hips you provided look pretty bad, could you please post a picture of your dog.
by Niesia on 13 June 2012 - 19:06
BTW - WOW, their GSDs are huge:
male: Solo at 9 months - 96lb!
female: Savvy at 8 months - 83lb!
I wonder how heavy they'll be fully grown...
by Jersey Girl 22 on 13 June 2012 - 19:06
sry about no puncuation when i type i just type really quickly and i don't realize it i am truely sry about that and well i do have the paper work that i did get my dog from her i have the shipping paper work but i dont know if that will help or not. well i guess i am gonna have to try to take it to court i mean i do have proof of getting justice from her bcs of things. I am truely upset right now tho bcs something has to be done i mean he is an extremly small male and his siblings weigh alot more than him which is a bit riducles. Janie said this 71.5 ibs isn't really my breeding usually they are at least 75 ibs or more but the funny thing is all her dogs are in the 90ibs or more thats what i find funny. his hips are truely truely bad the vet said its genetic and the only way to fix his hips is surgery there is no other option at all at this point and on. i just can't beleive she would do this she said she breeds for health and everything but how is it that my dog has all these problems. The vet said that at a year and acouple months he should not have any of these problems at all or wat so ever, honestly i can't even walk him long anymore, and he cant really play ball, the vet told me he really can't be active also he said at any given time his hip can dislocate again it will keep happening as long as he doesn't get his surgery. i am doing everything i can to help him i am a vet assitant/ tech i would never harm my dog and obciously i can prove that bcs i am certified and among other things she posts on her website that she breeds for health and all this stuff but my dog isn't healthy and was not when i first got him. i guess ill have to take her to court and see what i can do i mean i have an unfit for sale letter plus the xrays and hopefully my vet will give me a report on things i am gonna call them and talk to my vet. Also i have tried to talk to lawyers some of them won't help me bcs they dont' do that kinda of case i honestly can't find any lawyer that will help me at all. Honestly this is rong that i have to have my dog suffer like this and for me to get dooped when i don't deserve this at all that is how i really feel. plus if i don't get the surgery done in a couple years he may have to be put to sleep. yes i will post photos of my justice and also his father and brother are in the data base i will post them as well
by Jersey Girl 22 on 13 June 2012 - 19:06
ok i am on the OFA website the only problem is i dont' know how to send them the photos of my dogs xrays or how i should go about doing this is there anyone that knows how to do it or anything i was going to call them and find out but i dont' want to look dumb
by Niesia on 13 June 2012 - 20:06
If Justice von der Weide Haus is a father of your pup http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=668832 I don't believe he's got OFA certified hips. His AKC# doesn't find any matches. However I found his full brother Unser Keno Von Himmlischetal confirmed OFA dysplastic. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=668824 .
I searched deeper into pedigree and it looks like Justice's parents or grandparents haven't been OFA'd either. Going even deeper, you'll find few certified dogs with 'fast normal' rating (also dysplastic). HD can skip a generation so you need to look not only at parents but also at least grandparents to see your chances...
With family history of HD in your pup pedigree it is obvious that it is a genetic flaw.
Regarding sending your x-ray to OFA - you may ask your vet to do it for you if you prefer. Here is the link to the Application you would have to fill in and submit with the X-rays http://www.offa.org/pdf/hdedapp_bw.pdf . It also has step-by-step instruction on how to do it. Good luck.
I couldn't find any progeny of Justice on this database.
I searched deeper into pedigree and it looks like Justice's parents or grandparents haven't been OFA'd either. Going even deeper, you'll find few certified dogs with 'fast normal' rating (also dysplastic). HD can skip a generation so you need to look not only at parents but also at least grandparents to see your chances...
With family history of HD in your pup pedigree it is obvious that it is a genetic flaw.
Regarding sending your x-ray to OFA - you may ask your vet to do it for you if you prefer. Here is the link to the Application you would have to fill in and submit with the X-rays http://www.offa.org/pdf/hdedapp_bw.pdf . It also has step-by-step instruction on how to do it. Good luck.
I couldn't find any progeny of Justice on this database.
by Jersey Girl 22 on 13 June 2012 - 20:06
Unser Keno Von Himmlischetal - German Shepherd Dog
Justice von der Weide Haus - German Shepherd Dog
this is justices father that is in the data base the Justice the other one is my dogs dads brother
Justice von der Weide Haus - German Shepherd Dog
this is justices father that is in the data base the Justice the other one is my dogs dads brother
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