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by gagsd4 on 10 May 2012 - 23:05
Abby normal, very good information. I will give her another day on this salmon slurry before I start adding. My concern now is.... What if it is not EPI? I don't know what else it could be.
I was told she has been dewormed and treated with metronidazole multiple times by the previous owner.
We dont have the TLI results back.
Not sure about the vet having a Paypal account. I do personally, but did not think it appropriate to post. By making donations straight to the clinic people know where there money is going.
Thank you all for your support. I will update again tomorrow we know more.
Mary
by OGBS on 11 May 2012 - 02:05
Mary,
Keep your chin up with this girl.
She will come around.
I have taken in two GSD's with EPI.
Both came around, one, a male, the vets thought never would.
He is living a very happy life now.
Summers in Chicago, winters in Arizona.
You may want to think about canned whole pumpkin as an additive.
It will help firm up the poop. Tablespoon per meal.
--Steve
Keep your chin up with this girl.
She will come around.
I have taken in two GSD's with EPI.
Both came around, one, a male, the vets thought never would.
He is living a very happy life now.
Summers in Chicago, winters in Arizona.
You may want to think about canned whole pumpkin as an additive.
It will help firm up the poop. Tablespoon per meal.
--Steve
by gagsd4 on 11 May 2012 - 03:05
She had a REAL bowel movement tonight! Never though dog doo could be so exciting:).
by Supertanker on 11 May 2012 - 04:05
Awesome!!!
by Abby Normal on 11 May 2012 - 07:05
Mary
That is wonderful! The lady I mentioned with her EPI dog, actually saved the first 'real' solid poop in a bag to show me - YES it is a cause for great excitement and I was just as excited too LOL. She went from 37lbs to over 60lbs in less than 3 months. It got to the point where I could barely pick her up any more to stand on the scales without doing myself a mischief LOL.
What I felt was how important it was to that poor body to be able to utilise that little bit of nutrition properly for the first time in so long! You will have the odd setback, especially if she eats something she shouldn't, but so long as in the main she is going in the right direction. Remember treats are pretty much a no-no. Everything she eats has to be 'enzymed'. Don't worry about it not being EPI, if it isn't - worry about that then, but especially with the news about her poop...... I would be surprised.
BTW at the very end of the EPI page on the Dogaware site, there is a list of suppliers where you can get the best prices for enzyme supplements. I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK, we can get a private prescription from our vet and then purchase from the cheapest supplier. You can save a LOT on the cost this way. HTH.
If I were you, I would now start to keep a note of her weight too, weigh her once a week if you can. I am so pleased to hear this. I will be away for a couple of weeks, but please keep updating, so I can check in to see how she's doing when I get back. If you find the vet has a paypal account, please let me know.
That is wonderful! The lady I mentioned with her EPI dog, actually saved the first 'real' solid poop in a bag to show me - YES it is a cause for great excitement and I was just as excited too LOL. She went from 37lbs to over 60lbs in less than 3 months. It got to the point where I could barely pick her up any more to stand on the scales without doing myself a mischief LOL.
What I felt was how important it was to that poor body to be able to utilise that little bit of nutrition properly for the first time in so long! You will have the odd setback, especially if she eats something she shouldn't, but so long as in the main she is going in the right direction. Remember treats are pretty much a no-no. Everything she eats has to be 'enzymed'. Don't worry about it not being EPI, if it isn't - worry about that then, but especially with the news about her poop...... I would be surprised.
BTW at the very end of the EPI page on the Dogaware site, there is a list of suppliers where you can get the best prices for enzyme supplements. I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK, we can get a private prescription from our vet and then purchase from the cheapest supplier. You can save a LOT on the cost this way. HTH.
If I were you, I would now start to keep a note of her weight too, weigh her once a week if you can. I am so pleased to hear this. I will be away for a couple of weeks, but please keep updating, so I can check in to see how she's doing when I get back. If you find the vet has a paypal account, please let me know.
by gagsd4 on 12 May 2012 - 18:05
Update- I am not feeling really positive.
Have added scrambled eggs and Kefir (just now) to the mix. Letting the powder sit on mix for about 20 minutes.
Vet pulled catheter Friday. But I still had concerns as we had only 1 normal BM, and she did not seem to be drinking enough.
Friday afternoon and Saturday, back to watery yellow stools. Urinating frequently and not drinking very much.
Still bright, alert and ravenous.
by Eldee on 13 May 2012 - 04:05
k9-epiglobal@yahoogroups.com is the suppott group you need right now.
enzymediane.com is where to get the enzymes to help the dog
A good quality grain free low fiber diet is what to feed.
Soak the kibble for an hour or so in warm water, then add 1 tsp of enzymes to 1 cup of soaked kibble. She will probably need 2 cups of soaked kibble per feeding 4 times per day to get the weight back on.
You can premake the food at night then refridgerate it over night for the next day,. they can eat it cold. She will need vitamin B-12 with intrinsic factor from wonderlabs.com as EPI dogs need Vitamin B12 with intrinsic factor ( the enzyme that helps them absorb the B-12 is the intrinsic factor). She may have SIBO ( small intestine bacterial infection ) and may require some antibiotics to help with this ( Tylosin ). If you do this and follow the regime as best you can, she will be fine in a few weeks and start to look much better. Also salmon oil capsules should be added or 2 teaspoons of coconut oil for skin and coat as they don't absorb much of the omega 3's from their diet. EPI is a digestion issue and vitamin supplements are required for health and proper digestion. you will be fine. I thought my dog was going to die, but she pulled through.
Remember, grain free food. Low fiber.
enzymediane.com is where to get the enzymes to help the dog
A good quality grain free low fiber diet is what to feed.
Soak the kibble for an hour or so in warm water, then add 1 tsp of enzymes to 1 cup of soaked kibble. She will probably need 2 cups of soaked kibble per feeding 4 times per day to get the weight back on.
You can premake the food at night then refridgerate it over night for the next day,. they can eat it cold. She will need vitamin B-12 with intrinsic factor from wonderlabs.com as EPI dogs need Vitamin B12 with intrinsic factor ( the enzyme that helps them absorb the B-12 is the intrinsic factor). She may have SIBO ( small intestine bacterial infection ) and may require some antibiotics to help with this ( Tylosin ). If you do this and follow the regime as best you can, she will be fine in a few weeks and start to look much better. Also salmon oil capsules should be added or 2 teaspoons of coconut oil for skin and coat as they don't absorb much of the omega 3's from their diet. EPI is a digestion issue and vitamin supplements are required for health and proper digestion. you will be fine. I thought my dog was going to die, but she pulled through.
Remember, grain free food. Low fiber.
by Eldee on 13 May 2012 - 16:05
How is Daisy doing??? Are you looking for a home for her? Do you want me to post this on my EPI yahoo group to see if anyone could take her???
by gagsd4 on 13 May 2012 - 17:05
I have seen the enzymediane recommendation and will look into that.
She is currently eating grain-free.... but homemade. Thinking about adding a little liver to the diet for iron/b12.
She is on metronidazole, as the vet clinic did not have Tylosin.
Also will look into joininig the Yahoo group. (pain to do that on a handheld)
I am still pretty concerned about her lack of drinking. It is as if she cannot be bothered with a WATER bowl. All she cares about is the food part.
We will recheck weight and probably do B12 at the vet tomorrow.
She has not had a BM (that I know of) since the watery one yesterday around 4PM. This worries me, but also I am thinking it may be a good sign????
(If anyone feels the desire to donate, it would be SUPER appreciated as my personal doggy funds are pretty depleted and we have already run up a few hundred dollars. Vet clinic is http://affordablevetservices.org/ .
I am not really big on asking for assistance, but this case is exceptional, IMO.)
Eldee.... Absolutely YES I am looking for her a home. As stated above, I thought I was taking in a behavior case to work with, not a major medical, and I am just not equipped to deal with it. Daisy has been very, very nice with me and my family and does not appear to have any dog aggression. She has shown reactive aggression to vet clinic staff (initially) and the staff at the humane society.
Her birthday is 7/10.
---Mary
She is currently eating grain-free.... but homemade. Thinking about adding a little liver to the diet for iron/b12.
She is on metronidazole, as the vet clinic did not have Tylosin.
Also will look into joininig the Yahoo group. (pain to do that on a handheld)
I am still pretty concerned about her lack of drinking. It is as if she cannot be bothered with a WATER bowl. All she cares about is the food part.
We will recheck weight and probably do B12 at the vet tomorrow.
She has not had a BM (that I know of) since the watery one yesterday around 4PM. This worries me, but also I am thinking it may be a good sign????
(If anyone feels the desire to donate, it would be SUPER appreciated as my personal doggy funds are pretty depleted and we have already run up a few hundred dollars. Vet clinic is http://affordablevetservices.org/ .
I am not really big on asking for assistance, but this case is exceptional, IMO.)
Eldee.... Absolutely YES I am looking for her a home. As stated above, I thought I was taking in a behavior case to work with, not a major medical, and I am just not equipped to deal with it. Daisy has been very, very nice with me and my family and does not appear to have any dog aggression. She has shown reactive aggression to vet clinic staff (initially) and the staff at the humane society.
Her birthday is 7/10.
---Mary
by Bhaugh on 13 May 2012 - 17:05
Did I miss that she was indeed CONFIRMED EPI? IF not then the enzymes your feeding could actually make the situation worse. I had something like this happen to a dog I bought. I bought a puppy from the breeder and spent a pretty penny on her until it was confirmed she had EPI. I returned her through the contract and the breeder sold her to someone else. The new owners tracked me down and had 1000 questions as to what was wrong with the dog. It was very sad that the breeder NEVER said a thing. Maybe the prior owners DID do all the tests but felt that if they told the humane society where she went , they wouldn't take her so they said nothing. OR the humane society knows exactly what is wrong with the dog and they didn't say anything either. Not all dog groups are on the up and up.
I wouldn't be changing her food at all. Stick to what works and don't variate. What are her labs? Did the vet test for coccidia or girardia (sp). Those two are not routine tests. Once a system has been starved for a while, it starts to shut down. Some animals do not recover from it and even though they are eating and taking in food, they die anyway. Sorry to be such a bummer. Lets think positive.
I wouldn't be changing her food at all. Stick to what works and don't variate. What are her labs? Did the vet test for coccidia or girardia (sp). Those two are not routine tests. Once a system has been starved for a while, it starts to shut down. Some animals do not recover from it and even though they are eating and taking in food, they die anyway. Sorry to be such a bummer. Lets think positive.
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