dog fights????help please - Page 2

yep i have never personaly had a problem but my dogs are NEVER together inless i am there they are crated or in their kennels if im not superviseing play. and they know if they fight they will get in trouble and never do when im around. but i never ever push buttons or forget to seperate all of my guys

Take notice of what you have been told, it is all excellent advice.

YOU and only YOU have allowed your smaller dog to be dominated you should be ashamed of yourself NO dog should have to live in that kind of stressful situation. Why didn't you stop that??
Now you have to deal with the consequeses of your in action.

I have females that were great together for 3 years but one day in excitement they bumped into each other and it was on (it was not serious) but since that day they are never together unless they are supervised because I know how easy a fight can happen.

In your situation I feel that it is critical that you separate the dogs and NEVER EVER allow them together because one will die for sure and

IF you need to ask about the safety of your puppy then you should not be the owner of any German Shepherd at all.

You came here for advice and I really hope that you are listening.

Several posters have mentioned not letting their dogs of the same gender together unless supervised. These are experienced gsd owners and obviously have respect from their dogs. So, do not think that because those people can manage their dogs safely together that you (op) can.

SEPARATE THEM! KEEP THEM SEPARATED! ONLY RUN MALE WITH A FEMALE..! Your larger male will end up KILLING the smaller one..Believe what you want, I can guarantee it. YR

wow...

so you have been lettin them fight in front of you for 2 years now? 

i DONT agree that you cant have 2 intact males together ever...lots of variables there.. I do agree that YOU personally should never keep therse 2 intact males together...

keep these dogs separated, you will not be able to undo 2 years of bad stuff that you let happen right in front of your own eyes.

Once 2 dogs decide they want to try to kill eachother, and have gotten into some serious fighting, it is very difficult to get any kind of order back, between those 2 dogs...

1.) Your larger male was off "mating" for 2 weeks.  Oh that changed the game for sure! Now he is an adult and he is breeding. 

2.) Younger male has been alone home and he has established his territory.  Other dog comes home after breeding and you thought all was going to be FINE?  Hello???  

3.) You have a female (something for them to seriously fight over). 

4.) You have, or are getting, a puppy.. something else to mess this up further. 

I always wonder if the breeding male is tested (hips and genetic disease) and titled before breeding.  Was he?  If not why is he being used for breeding? 

Why are all these dogs intact and breedable?  Are they tested/titled? 

Get 4 chain link kennels.  Keep the dogs separated.  Keep the males in the two outside kennels.  Four dogs is a LOT to handle and work with.  Why are you wanting to have 4 dogs?  Huge work, money and responsibility to do that many dogs right.

Beware - even if 'separated', they may find a way to get at each other in a fight for dominance. Case in point. I responded a couple weeks ago (I'm a city police officer) to a dog fight in progress. Two female pits nearly killed each other. Found out later they were not only both spayed, but separated by a fence and kennel. Homeowners were at work.
Apparently one was able to unlatch the kennel gate and either/both were able to take a portion of their fence down to get a each other. What a bloody mess. They fought completely on their own until the brawl spilled out onto the street when neighbors tried to separate them. Had to bounce empty garbage cans off them to get them to stop, only after both were exhausted and soaked from getting hosed.

 

RASS & GK1" Yes, both of you hit some nails on heads.... Also only those of us experienced in years of training these powerful males and females, know how to seperate two males fighting.. BUT it takes two people or some ingeniuity..I had to do it three times by myself...but I used a door to the barn to put head of Austins in while I choked with my other arm , Dieter on a collar, and after he released for a second shoved with my boot Austin inside the barn with the metal heavy door slammed shut and got bit , of course, but them immed got dieter in a kennel. I have used a tree to wrap one male around as I got bit, and then pull the hind two legs of the other one as they will never release, I can assure you, and then try to grab the collar of the one with two legs, to get into a kennel. THE amount of power a male gets when inraged is three times his weight. I have had a 300 pound man have an almost impossible time containing Rito, on of my 90 lb males at his vets office, with Rito inbetween his legs , with a leash and collar and muzzle on. The power they have is more than most know. Unless you have been on the working end of these males, you have no clue what you are in for. I do not ever want any male fighting till death nor even 5 minutes.. 3times in my life here I have accidently let out the wrong dog...and that is what I had to stop and put into control...I used the kennel doors the last time to cram a head into and wait for the release of the one on the outside and then shove quickly into the kennel locking that one in, but you still have a male on the outside in killer mode. NO commands, nor water or stick will stop them... not mine anyway..MY fault for letting out the wrong dog..but I knew how to remedy it...and got both dogs safely apart and to their safety.. I was the one covered in blood and you do get bit. Dog fights are not to be tolerated . I handle all other fights immediately but if they get connected and it excellerates, the end is not nice and can be bad for you and the dogs.. I had plenty of lessons from trainers as how to stop it...and I use all the info given. A lot of germans can be stopped, mine do not have a stop if It gets started. THEY do have a stop before it goes into a fight IF I am there to visualize it. WHEn YOU LET the wrong dog out, I was unaware, until they met muzzle to muzzle...then I had the chore of stopping it.. HAD I not had men trainers from my training day show me and instruct me on how and what to do first, I would probably lost two or one of my males..AND I might have been more seriously hurt. SO do not put two males together unless you have had training yourself.

Sorry but I have no dashboard again to make paragraphs etc. I did not type above like it printed out...sorry It got fixed for three days. YR

Maybe I am overstepping here, but based on the situation, the actions taken, and the decisions already made, maybe having these dogs is not the right thing for you right now. Keep one and learn how to deal with a shepherd (or dogs in general), then think about expanding.