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>>Regular working class means dog must have Schutzhund/VPG titles On Kirschental's website, Karl Fuller describes his VA3 bitch Xitta as follows: << "Xitta" was a pure working dog with the sheep,when I presented her for the first time at the HZS, where she achieved V4 in the GHKL. At the evaluation, quote the Bundeszuchtwart, Hermman Martin: " I would have placed this dog VA, had she also had a SchH title, not just the HGH." Thereupon, I had Edzard Müller train "Xitta" through SchH3 IPO3 FH. The following year, "Xitta" achieved VA3. >> This could mean two things: either that at the time Martin had discretion to place her VA before she achieved her SchH titling but chose not to, or that there actually was a rule in place requiring SchH titling to place in the VA class. I think I read somewhere that a SchH II is currently required for females to place VA. But as to entering a dog in the regular adult working classes in the BSZS, I thought that an HGH was sufficient. Maybe someone who knows could confirm what the requirement is?

Kougar, I believe the HGH competition IS considered part of the BSZS even though it may not be held at the same location. Its timing, I believe, is concurrent with the BSZS and the HGH is considered a "class". Although I could be wrong, that has been my observation in the past.

I was referring ONLY to the conformation part of the BSZS - only answering as the original poster seemed to want that clarification - I have not been there and certainly may not understood the situation as it was explained to me.

How well do the HGH dogs drives port to SchH or vice-versa? -Calvin

"""I think I read somewhere that a SchH II is currently required for females to place VA. But as to entering a dog in the regular adult working classes in the BSZS, I thought that an HGH was sufficient. Maybe someone who knows could confirm what the requirement is?""" I was just asked this question by a friend. Why is there a separate class at the BSZS for the herding dogs. . . . Marion Fuller kindly answered this question. Because the real working sheep dogs work all day in the fields with the sheep they are usually very thin and their coats are not as shiney and well groomed. Nor are they as well trained for the show ring as the dogs in the normal classes so they have extra classes for the sheep herding dogs. Both of my HGH females do very good bitework.

"""I think I read somewhere that a SchH II is currently required for females to place VA. But as to entering a dog in the regular adult working classes in the BSZS, I thought that an HGH was sufficient. Maybe someone who knows could confirm what the requirement is?""" I was just asked this question by a friend. Why is there a separate class at the BSZS for the herding dogs. . . . Marion Fuller kindly answered this question. Because the real working sheep dogs work all day in the fields with the sheep they are usually very thin and their coats are not as shiney and well groomed. Nor are they as well trained for the show ring as the dogs in the normal classes so they have extra classes for the sheep herding dogs. Both of my HGH females do very good bitework.

Will any HGH participant come forward and clarify!!

The HGH class is a conformation class like a Youth Class that is offered at the BSZS. A dog over 24 months can enter the HGH working dog class if it has an HGH title, a young dog can enter the HGH Youth Classes if they have an HGH title or are owned by a shepherd. At the BSZS all dogs of all classes are judged in conformation only. There is no HGH herding event going on at that time. There is no VA awarded in the HGH classes. A dog with an HGH title has to be shown in the regular working dog class in order to achieve a VA and then also meet all the requirements required to be eligible for a VA. The HGH is sufficient for the KKL and to be shown in the working dog class. Not a VA. There is a separate HGH National Herding event that the SV organizes every year and takes place at a different time and place. There are no other SV events of any kind taking place at the time of the BSZS. The separate HGH class is offered in order to preserve and remind of the original purpose of the GSD. Unfortunately there are not many people who will be able to carry on that tradition, and in time the already scarce entries will probably be a reason why this class may one day disappear...

>>The HGH is sufficient for the KKL and to be shown in the working dog class. Not a VA. That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming. >>How well do the HGH dogs drives port to SchH or vice-versa? I've never done Schutzhund. But my late dog Otto out of Wiko vom Kirschental (SchH III, HGH) was protection-trained and had strong drives, especially on his own turf. Whenever anyone came to the front gate, he would snarl and grab the gate and shake it until one of his humans told him the visitor was OK, then he'd calm down immediately and was quite friendly. There were two friends whom he liked and would let in without authorization, but no one else. The electric meter-reader, oil deliveryman etc. all knew to call ahead before showing up. To my knowledge the only strangers who ever came through the gate without being let in were two Jehovah's Witnesses who ignored the warning sign and opened the gate. I was weeding the vegetable garden out back and heard this awful commotion, and turned around to see both Otto and - shock of shocks - my quite mellow American-lines GSD dancing on their hind legs and snapping in the Jehovahs' faces. To their credit, the Jehovahs didn't seem fazed in the least although they did have enough sense to stand still and not try to advance further. I called the dogs off and told the Jehovahs that I admired their tenacity of faith in the face of such adversity before I sent them on. There was an earlier thread about why dogs don't seem as territorial as they used to be, but this dog certainly was. If it were up to him he never would have come in the house and often gave me a hard time when I brought him in at sundown - guarding the yard was that big a deal to him. My new pup from Kirschental is 7 months old and started running to the gate and barking at visitors the first day here. I'm doing daily drive-building play with him and he goes crazy whenever I break out the bite pillow, but it's too early to tell if he'll be quite as aggressive about defending the property.

Thank you for such well put clarification - this is how the BSZS HGH class was explained to me as well [by an HGH judge! who I could well have misunderstood with language barriers!]