Dogs kenneled or crated for long periods of time.. - Page 2

FCSC I have seen and heard this too. I hate seeing dogs brought strait from the crate, to the field to work. No warm up, they are totaly wired for sound. Cracks me up when a dog tires out doing a bark and hold. Gee maybe if he got out more, he might have some stamina. If the only way I can get my dog to work is by locking him up, I guess he's gonna wash. Puting them up for a time out is a different story. I have seen that work in a positive manner. You don't out,you go back in the crate in the trailer. Works wonders.

You can crate a dog before taking it to the field to train, some dogs come to the training field FLAT cause they've had all day to run around and waste energy like pulling out your sprinklers or diggin' a hole to china..get my point, so yes crating it before training can be good , IT GIVES TIME TO REGAIN THAT WASTED ENERGY. But as a life style NO, dogs have a very curious mind and love to explore, smell every scent they can find ect.... I think if you balance your dogs life and crating it when it is appropriate than great , crating can be a good thing if it is in moderation and for good reasons but crating a dog because you don't want it around you is unreal, and I would say to these individuals " Don't get a dog !!! Crates were not created for a dog to pend it's whole life in it.

sORRY AT THE END IT IS SPEND IT'S WHOLE LIFE IN IT.

No the dogs I am talking about spend their days in a kennel and dad gets home from work loads the dog in the crate and heads to training. I don't know anybody who has their working dogs running lose all day. I agree with the curious minds. If my guys don't get sufficient sniffing around time, they give me attitude.

The GSD is an athlete by nature and "design". I suppose a Shitzu would "thrive" in a box, but I don't believe that any of us relate to "box potato" type dogs. I frankly don't know why anyone would after working with a dog that has endless energy, enthusiasm, intelligence, and willing attitude. By the way, there is nothing wrong with show lines. Rather, their people don't know their capabilities. A good show dog is made to move, and is never happier than when given an opportunity to open up the throttle.

jdh, I have a story for you, I once contacted a breeder that had an add with this website, and I was looking for a dog for my parents , they had a peeping -tom and we all made a decision to get them a dog .The've had dogs before( GSD )and so I looked for an older dog that had some training and had been socialized. Of couse my mother looked at the website and found a female that was up for sale (age 3), she picked her because "she was so beautiful" I said OK let me get in contact with this breeder and see what kind of training she has had. Well the breeder responded "no training what so ever but she is a beauty!" In anybody's right mind , this dog had never stepped out of it's kennel and was probably breed over & over. Some breeders think that Beauty is all a dog needs to sell and I have a problem with that . My mother like most people probably would have bought the dog cause "it's beautiful" and when it would have gotten to her that dog would have bitten her out of fear! Some showline people(breeders) should be a shame of what they do wiht their dogs , beauty is not everything.The mind is far more beautiful

I agree, and Top dogs that don't trial anymore for fear of injury is pathetic. I know myself and my dogs would rather go out with a bang, than live to a ripe old age in a kennel.

common sense -- uscles/ligaments /bones not used will deteriorate --- .. the oppostie true -- those that are worked will stregnthen !! in Karate .. you can see the bone structure itself become more dense just by hittting practicing boards !! the opposite is truie bones will change structure weaken if not used .. lso the microscopic structure of muscles too -- you can see the nu,mber of mitchondria lessen and the fibers change in unused muscle !! -- so it is with the GSD , especially in sport -- case in point ...with my puppies i do bite grip and bite strength exercises .. makes the jaw bones and biting muscles strong !! my dogs even as pups bite hard and very very fast !@! point #2: i often hear about the showline gsd's [ note that i have more than 18 in the past 15 years ] don't let them jump as pups -- i discuss this with some of my GSD friends : do you know how foolish that is --- even the high-end kennels rant and rave the same -- how foolish !!BUT come on now ... did you ever watch any other canids as pups in the wild ??? you see them hop, frolick , jump , fight anoungst themselves , tumble etc....... please give me a break with that jumbo ... -- my approach : follow nature .. interact[ with common sense and with reasonable caution/safety] and let your pup exercise and stregnthen those hip/leg/shoulder muscles and bones ---

FCSC -- what i point you make --crating dogs makes them work better .. Ha -- a foolish schtuzhund idea -- i thnk that to a degree that may be so but not entirely because of the crateing but more to comensate for the lack of good working genetics and breeding traits !!!-- it has to do with trying to make dogs what they are not !! a good working dog has it in the heart .. the genetic base /stress level .. it almost lives just to work -- -- not drive as i stated .. a very very lacking word ...so to the notion of drive promotion !! hogwash .. a good GSD does not need to be promoted .. again it can't wait for a bite .. or to find a narcotic/explosive becuase it has it in it's heart !! a good GSD has innate motivation to work -- case illustrated .. my GSD 1/2 show line and 1/2 working line, V-rateed structure .. never did the tink tank bit nor crate extensively .. nor any other stimulus deprivation ... 1o months old was doing long send full body bite attacks , side transports/ escorts , guards followed by apprension upon escapes !! whistle recalls at a distance off a hold/guard. and IMO if you have to crate your dog to make it work or so call to create the {drive} then you better take a honest hard in depth look at the breeding[ or your breeding program because it ain't worth ##^&**#.[incorrect enlish on puprpose!]

Young dogs do get tired from their activities throughout the day, yes some have to crate their dogs prior taking them on the field to sack 'em and such. It has nothing to do with working genetics, by the way true working dogs are in crates in patrol cars most of their shifts! That is why when they get out of the patrol car they can't wait to be sent out for search and such , they have all that pinned up energy!! you mean to tell me that if a patrol dog was running all day and then sentto work he would perform well? Rubbish no way , that is why we always ahve other patrol dogs to take over when one dog has been working for 2 hours, dogs do get tired and they rest very well in crates at work, to go again once they re-gain energy. Their hearts are in all the way...