Misleading ad - Page 2

Jenni,

 Basically the thread was meant to get other importers thoughts on how to recognize shady advertising. Some folks import quite a few dogs for police, PP, and other markets and have more experience to share.You can have your opinion and feel free to post it here.  Please, let us know of your importing experience that pertains to this topic so maybe we can learn from your knowledge.  

Regardless of whether the dog was on the possession of a broker, I feel that if you, as the current owner, want the dog removed, then it should be removed. There could be all kinds of reasons that a new owner might want a dog removed. This sort of practice is very common in business. It is not illegal or immoral, in my opinion, but it can be a little misleading.

frank , Ill paint one simple picture for you about this

Im breeder , and sometimes help somebody to purchase dog that is not from my own breeding , so in that perspective I am also broker , and can say Im honest and truthfull , however , within the boundries of quality and pricing , that many people search for dogs it is IMPOSSIBLE  to find the amount of quality ,healthy dogs , that is wanted , and therefore it is easy for people with less than noble intentions to sell all available on 4 legs
if I sell a(any)dog , it will be tested and fully xrayed by me before purchase  , so at least I know what Im dealing with

I had multiple inquiries  for dogs that I can easily get dogs for , but will not do it because available dogs are not good enough or to good to be truth( see Bhall thread)

the long lists of dogs available on some brokers websites , are often not in their posession and they can only tell about the dogs what is told to them , so they are not always to blame , as they  will be screwed sometimes as well

I agree that a dog listed for sale as perfect , and after being sold by someone else , being written of as not good enough makes you wonder

Duke wrote:
"the long lists of dogs available on some brokers websites , are often not in their posession and they can only tell about the dogs what is told to them ,
so they are not always to blame , as they  will be screwed sometimes as well"


Thats the glory of being a "broker", you have to (or at least should!) take responsibility for the product you are selling.
If you want to add in your "fee" to broker the deal, then you will have to "work" for you money,
why else is the buyer paying you? If they have to go though you to purchase the dog, you better know what you are selling.

Otherwise it's is just smarter to find someone like Duke who seems to have some morals and ethics,
and pay him a "finders fee" to find you the dog you want.
As Duke mentions though, the buyer in all fairness, must be realistic in what is available in his/her budget.

When someone makes their livlihood from selling dogs and puppies in -any- breed,
it usually becomes easier and easier to let things "slide" in the quality of what you sell,
as you -need- to sell in order to keep a roof over your head etc.
Then you end up with the "used car salesman" type slicksters.

might add to that  there are also breeders who get more inquiries for pups than they normally have , and than buy several extra females to supply the demand ,

as it is hard enough to get few very good producing females , it is impossible to buy an extra 4 or 5 in few months

I don't know I just find it perhaps unethical to describe a dog to someone in detail and never see the dog. Then when you ask questions about breeding with different lines etc... he has to call over to his partner to get you answers. I had another broker call me from Slovakia to tell me some guy in CO. had his dogs on his website for sale , what can he do about it. I guess really nothing???

That's where watermarking photos & using same sort of concept with any videos works to help prevent someone else from representing your dog as 'theirs'. Also using the dogs registered name helps, as people can google the name to locate the dog. Advertising dogs they don't own/know is not uncommon, But it's definatley a risk to the broker if they have never put eyes or hands on the actual dog. Of course an even bigger risk to the buyer, but that's why people have to take some responsibility and do some Homework on their own too. A lot of times people get taken by a deal that seems to good to be true.

I don't think anything is deceptive about it. In fact when a dog called Feja was sold the new owner didn't put much info on the dog other than what I already knew. After a few months I was still researching the dog and was able to go back and find info on the previous website after the dog was sold. To me I could care less who sold it, but more importantly, did they have access to information. 

Also to much attention is given to brokers in my opinion. Both credit and blame. Someone buying a dog should do all the research he or she can and not have to have someone else do their home work for them. I know what I wanted before I got it. I have imported dogs, and have to say, I always got dogs that were exactly what I expected, but I used every resource I could to research history of linage, health, temperment etc. before purchase. I used other sources unrelated to owners or brokers for their evaluation, Even asked duke65 to evaluate a dog for me that he had no biases toward, or loss or gain. I just valued his knowledge and honesty. If a person doesn't do his own homework, or is so much of a novice to what he is getting, he or she should not be buying a dog from anyone with or without a broker.

hank 

All it takes for us buyers to do our homework is to get screwed once.  Unfortunately it seems it  has to be that way.

Good judgment comes from bad experience ... and most of that comes from bad judgment...

Hank, good post. Too bad you had to make that post and not everyone just has that much common sense. I have also never  been screwed on a dog. Research, research, research. Ask people you trust. Most importantly TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions (or inactions) and make sure you have crossed your T's and dotted your I's and double-checked everything that is important to you. 

I also don't see a big deal about photos of a dog when it's common knowledge that it was available to brokers. Heck, people have pictures of me and my dog(s) (well, they scratched me out after the last time I spoke the truth, lol) on their site and I would never ever endorse them. But, they have a right to the photos because of their previous interest in the dog and I think it's really petty and grandiose to try and take that away. If you ever had interest or had/have related dogs, I think it's fair to keep the dog listed for reference. It helps everyone, really, when you can do that research. I actually like it because I can follow a dog and have that many more people to ask questions about it. JMO.