German Naming Convention for GSD's - Totally Confused!! - Page 2

Sunsilver has it right, you do not get to choose von or vom because these are the SAME thing (from, from the, of , of the, etc....) just conjugated based on the gender of the noun (kennel name).  Sometimes even zu/zum(zu dem) is used.  "van de" or "van het"("van't) is Dutch.

You see males that appear named after the dam because often the kennel owns the dam and bred her in the first place.  It's the kennel name, not like a "surname" for the dam.  If I buy a dam "van het Hof" (using my mom's surname as an example) I can't use that name, I'd use my own kennel name.

Hi guys,
Some German prepositions are influenced by the dative case and von happens to be one of them.  As stated above, German language has 3 single genders:
1. masculine (der) 2. feminine (die) 3. neuter (das) and plural.  When using preposition von and hence using the dative case the pronoun will change as follows: der to dem, die to der and das to dem. So, vom is nothing else but short von dem for both masculine and neuter gender. There is no short way to say von der for feminine nouns so it stays as von der. It is the same way for plural - von der. Hope that helps. 

"There must be millions of GSD's out there not named after the kennel.  Anybody else out there have some real information?"

There are indeed but you asked specifically for the German naming convention and that's what I gave you.  You're off to a real good start here...

"Pinebuck's Myra of Kismet"... Kismet was the sire's kennel, and then Pinebuck the dams.

Not necessarily.  Could be either or (or maybe I'm reading what you meant, wrong).  Co breedings get all sorts of confusing.  The most kennel names I've seen on one dog is 3.

My dog, Strauss, is "fradulently" named, because I didn't know better when I bought him.  His "breeder" just told me to use whatever name, and since his sire was a Drachenberg dog, Strauss is S Konzert vom Drachenberg.

Hi guys,
Some German prepositions are influenced by the dative case and von happens to be one of them.  As stated above, German language has 3 single genders:
1. masculine (der) 2. feminine (die) 3. neuter (das) and plural.  When using preposition von and hence using the dative case the pronoun will change as follows: der to dem, die to der and das to dem. So, vom is nothing else but short von dem for both masculine and neuter gender. There is no short way to say von der for feminine nouns so it stays as von der. It is the same way for plural - von der. Hope that helps. 

 

 

Thanks! That's exactly what I couldn't figure out last night when I was posting that reply: where the 'von der' came from, because in the nominative case, 'der' is masculine. Guess what? In the dative case, 'der is feminine! (And you wonder why I quit German??)

Also, I wasn't sure if the kennel name was the dative case or the genitive. I couldn't remember enough of my high school grammar to sort it out that late at night!

 

 

You're very welcome, Sunsilver!

Xeph, I was just using that dog as an example to show that sometimes there can be more than one kennel name.

plural is not von der, that is just the dative feminine form, plural dative is von den, for example
von den Rabauken
Bea

Yes, Bea you are correct. My bad. I got it mixed it up with the the genitive case for the plural.