A Very Angry Lil' Bit(ch) - Page 2

"Barring that, everyone knows I love a good CTJ dog meeting as much as the next guy, but I think in this instance I might want to not start a war with this dog quite yet, after all her world is upside down and she doesn't understand what's going on.  It's quite possible that she's not challenging you, she's just flipped out and scared.  I think I'd let her calm down for a couple days and then start over with her.  Take her for walks, let her hit the end of the pinch, but show no emotion over her bad behaviour, no matter what.  Also remember a tired dog is a good dog.  Take her out alone and wear her down with some two ball."

           Exactly why I suggested the things I did for her.

Regardless of the reason she is being an ass, she is being an ass! What is wrong with leaving a pinch on her all the time? I didn't say pinch her constantly! Hook the leash through your belt loop and then to her collar, she has no choice to be next to you and with a pinch she has no choice but to do what she is told.  If your pinch slipped down her neck it is too lose, take  link out.  When you take her out work her butt off in obedience.  She I assume knows the commands so if she doesn't do it immediately there is a correction then when she does it praise her.  I'm here to tell you I have some pretty big boys and god help them if they even dreamed of growling at me through the crate, and I'm not a very big woman, but I would not put up with that for whatever the reason, remember no matter how much we love them they are dogs, if you don"t make them respect you they won't. And no before the bleeding hearts start complaining, it does not have to be done all with force but if one of mine snarled at me there would be a pinch collar applied and we would be outside so fast their head would spin.

I use the pinch for obedience work. I do not like seeing a dog trying to lay and rest in them getting the prongs stuck in them when not in the middle of a correction. I do not want the dog to hate the collar. I do not want the collar to leave sores on the dog. I do not want them so used to corrections only coming when there is a pinch on them. I can correct any dog and as a woman without a pinch on them. I only use the pinch to sharpen their training personally. I would have to go back and re read but what I was responding to was the idea the pinch should be left on while sitting in a crate.... no thanks. Yep just checked... no, I would NEVER leave a pinch on a dog crated or tethered. Just my opinion. Have you ever seen pinch collar wounds? Have you ever delt with a dog that was so used to a pinch collar it lost its training effectiveness? I think pinch collars are awesome and I suggest them, however There are good uses and like any other training tool they can be used inncorrectly causeing more damage than good IMO. I would remain firm with this dog and I am not saying baby it because it is upset. However I do not feel butting heads with this distressed animal will help as I do own a bitchy bitch myself and if she is anything like mine it is going to get worse instead of better in a physical knock down drag out I am boss you have to listen as long as this collar is on you proceedure. There are other way to correct and work the dog through it. We are not talking a dog that is untrained and disrespectful only because it is taking advantage. I do not know this dog but I do know bitchy dogs lol

All I can say is, if I was laid up in the hospital, I'd be pretty unhappy with anyone discussing my dogs on THIS forum, and not consulting myself for correctional advice. NOT cool.

I'm impressed by the singlemindedness of the bitch, but nevertheless Daryl is right. The only one you should be consulting regarding disciplining the dog is her OWNER>>> Carl.

I assumed she was not trying to stress a very ill man who I understand they did not even know if would make it? Or perhaps she is sharing the info here with him? Could be so many variences to the issue not posted. Perhaps they are both seeking more information and he is not up to asking others himself? I do understand what you are saying as my husband would ask me and when I have been in the hispital he has. I was just extremely ill not in danger of death or recovering from a brush with it. I do hope the poster's husband is out of the danger zone now? I admit I have not kept up with an update besides the first mention of almost looseing him.

Jackie,
What if she was human, I know she's not but what if, would she be easier to read and understand.
Dog's know things and feel things that we do overlook, we say it's just a dog.
I believe otherwise.

If the day comes you might very well be better off putting her dog down as sad as that sounds.

I think she knows something is wrong and is angry scared and unsure, not unlike a human in the same situation and acting out.
Her world has been turned upside down as she see's it.

Punishing her for this will not cure it, perhaps there is a way for her to have some access to Carl, and perhaps she will need to be separated from your other dogs at times. 

Yes you should be able to control her but I feel no matter what you try there will be times this may not be possible without detrimental effects on you both.
So, as you make corrections, remember to have a little compassion too.

And in the same situation dealing with bad behavior, what would Carl do and how would he act, tone, body language, attitude.
I think you have your hands full at this point and stepping back might give a better perspective.

If it were me, I would use an outside kennel and place her in it when she acts badly, for a whole 24 hours, I would have long conversations with her to create a better bond both in and out of this kennel.  I would keep her onleash a lot to keep her in a controlled situation. 
And I would give her some access to Carl whenever possible, let him explain it to her.
Dogs react well to soothing voices and rewards for not being a total bitch, and they understand more than we give them credit for.

Choose your moments wisely.

I hope they both improve and things might get back to normal.

Moons.

As far as advise for correcting the dog me too, Darryl!!  In fact if anyone, family member or otherwise, got it into their heads to start messing with my dogs without my permission let alone correcting them, there would be hell to pay.

GSDNewbie you and I may agree on why the dog is acting the way she is but we disagree on how it should be handled.  Without first hand knowledge of the dog or it's training to date or the relationship between Jackie and the dog,  I think it better that her husband first evaluate what's going on, after all, he's there - we aren't.  Suggesting that someone start nailing a dog with corrections  when you don't know the first thing about the dog or it's training or it's temperment is hasty in my opinion.  Smarter to actually check with the dog owner/handler first. 

A word to the wise about leaving pinch collars on unattended dogs....I wouldn't do it.  I saw a dog almost strangle itself with a pinch left on in the crate at Dogstock one year.  One of the prongs somehow got around one of the  window bars, (plastic crate with those little side windows) the dog panicked and started twisting around to try and undo it.  By the time it registered on all of us what the noise was and we got to where the crate was, the dog was in full blown panick mode and probably not far from strangling.  Multiple crate wires had to be cut with wire cutters to undo the thing, thankfully someone had them. 

Daryl---Jackie isn't betraying Carl here.  Bit of a stretch...lol. 

Jackie----I've been in this situation more times than I care to admit.  Broken leg and knee a few years back......broken foot and ankle last summer.  What worked here is me taking the leash in hand, hanging off the bed and handing it over saying "go on...go....go for your walk.  The direction came from me, and my boy who didn't want to leave eventually got it.  Took awhile to become a routine, but I realized I had to make it fun for both of them.  Sounds stupid, but have a three way small catch with a ball where you interact together and then have Carl again hand you the leash as he tells her to go. (You make an enemy of her and nothing will work.)

BTW---How is Carl feeling?  You must be exhausted.

In fact 3 times I have been hospitalized for surgeries that also required pretty extensive rehab.  Here is what my husband does with my competition dog: 

Feed him.

Play  two ball in the backyard with him.  Why 2 ball?  No "out" commands.  This is a great game because they both love it and again, a tired dog is a very good dog. 

No correcting my dog, no confrontational shit allowed at all, thank you very much.  If the dog gets too antsy into the kennel he goes.