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by Gil Blu on 03 September 2011 - 12:09
Can somebody explain what means second, third and fourth column ?
by reason on 03 September 2011 - 16:09
First column PROUNOUNCED COURAGE and lets out PASS
Second column PROUNOUNCED COURAGE no out I THINK FAIL
Third column EXISTING COURAGE and lets out LOW PASS
Fourth column EXISTING COURAGE no out FAIL
Fifth colum CRAP
Second column PROUNOUNCED COURAGE no out I THINK FAIL
Third column EXISTING COURAGE and lets out LOW PASS
Fourth column EXISTING COURAGE no out FAIL
Fifth colum CRAP
by Red Sable on 03 September 2011 - 16:09
Thank you reason :)
by Sunsilver on 03 September 2011 - 16:09
Allow me to introduce you to a good friend of mine: Babelfish
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
You may find it handy in the days to come.
And, if you're going to be serious about this breed, it's a good idea to pick up a bit of basic German.
Ausgepragt, lasst ab means 'pronounced, lets out (releases)'
Ausgepragt, lasst nicht ab, means 'pronounced, does not let go'
Vorhanden, lasst ab means 'sufficient, lets out'
vorhanden. lasst nicht ab means 'sufficient, does not let out.'
Nicht genugend means 'insufficient'
And abgebrochen wegen mangelnder Führigkeit means 'broken off because of lack of obedience' which probably means the dog was run off the field!
Here's a good site for Schutzhund terms: http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/germanterminology.html
And here's a previous thread on the database re. the terms used in the Sieger show:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=247261&pagen=1
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
You may find it handy in the days to come.
And, if you're going to be serious about this breed, it's a good idea to pick up a bit of basic German.
Ausgepragt, lasst ab means 'pronounced, lets out (releases)'
Ausgepragt, lasst nicht ab, means 'pronounced, does not let go'
Vorhanden, lasst ab means 'sufficient, lets out'
vorhanden. lasst nicht ab means 'sufficient, does not let out.'
Nicht genugend means 'insufficient'
And abgebrochen wegen mangelnder Führigkeit means 'broken off because of lack of obedience' which probably means the dog was run off the field!
Here's a good site for Schutzhund terms: http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/germanterminology.html
And here's a previous thread on the database re. the terms used in the Sieger show:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=247261&pagen=1
by dshlerner on 03 September 2011 - 18:09
The first column refers to the dogs who were rated "Pronounced" and released on command. This is the ONLY passing rating. And Sunsilver,,,,regarding your final "translation"....no,that does NOT mean that the dog was "probably run off the field"...rather,it means that the dog showed a failure of obedience/lack of control in its heeling toward the blind. They get 3 tries and then they are out of the competition. Hope this helps.
by dshlerner on 03 September 2011 - 18:09
Also,vorhanden means present,not sufficient.
by Abby Normal on 03 September 2011 - 20:09
Priceless - see you are doing it again.
Bix is a very popular sire at the moment. You will know that I am a big fan of maintaining working ability within the breed.
When a popular sire washes out badly IMO it should be a concern, I take note particularly when that dog is being used here in the UK, and is held up as such a top notch example of the breed. Reason: at the moment in the UK there is an active strategy of not adopting working tests, whilst handing out breed surveys. Therefore, the only measure of how much (or little) working ability is being 'passed down' is based on the titles of the sire and dam. That in itself is at best, a minimalist approach, and very questionable IMO.
A dog then that has achieved these titles should not bomb so badly. I do question breeders (especially the ones who set themselves up as the most knowledgable), using dogs for looks alone - the 'beauty pageant' approach, without visible evidence of working ability. Makes you wonder about basing choices on titles. If the cap fits, it should be worn. Actually, I was quite shocked that Bix failed so badly. I was also watching for Elmo but looks like he was a no show.
See I don't trust any breeders who actively campaign against the inclusion of working ability. A bit like politics, always look for the reasons, they will be there.
Thanks priceless I definitely value transparency.
Abs.
Bix is a very popular sire at the moment. You will know that I am a big fan of maintaining working ability within the breed.
When a popular sire washes out badly IMO it should be a concern, I take note particularly when that dog is being used here in the UK, and is held up as such a top notch example of the breed. Reason: at the moment in the UK there is an active strategy of not adopting working tests, whilst handing out breed surveys. Therefore, the only measure of how much (or little) working ability is being 'passed down' is based on the titles of the sire and dam. That in itself is at best, a minimalist approach, and very questionable IMO.
A dog then that has achieved these titles should not bomb so badly. I do question breeders (especially the ones who set themselves up as the most knowledgable), using dogs for looks alone - the 'beauty pageant' approach, without visible evidence of working ability. Makes you wonder about basing choices on titles. If the cap fits, it should be worn. Actually, I was quite shocked that Bix failed so badly. I was also watching for Elmo but looks like he was a no show.
See I don't trust any breeders who actively campaign against the inclusion of working ability. A bit like politics, always look for the reasons, they will be there.
Thanks priceless I definitely value transparency.
Abs.
by Gil Blu on 03 September 2011 - 20:09
What do you think about protection test of Wallaby yesterday ? Was the result correct in your opinion ? Here in Brazil he would be approved, but I agree with german judges criteria.
by jdiaz1791 on 03 September 2011 - 21:09
Hi, Wallaby and Arex were stepped on by the decoy,
Unfortunate, but that is how it is.
Yes,I guess Remo will win as it was already
Planned.
Yerom, Furbo and Vegas just showed best progeny earlier today
Imo.....
Vegas brought the house down.
Its hotter than Miami in here today, Good luck
by Doppelganger on 03 September 2011 - 22:09
Elmo was at Birmingham, he was BOB and Group 2
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