Puppies dying. - Page 2

Thanks to those who have given positive, non-arrogant, helpful advice. I take good care of our family pets, but they are "outside" dogs. And yes, they are completely in the shade, she was just digging right beside the house  ....To the one who demands that I MAKE ROOM in my house for them I just have to ask...what did dogs do before people had air conditioned homes? You act like dogs were created in an air conditioned environment or something. To all of you other ones that have given positive suggestions...thanks...I'll be doing my best to use them. Trust me, I don't want to lose any more...I was very upset over the ones I lost.

Are you sure she's getting enough water and food to provide enough hydration for herself and therefore milk for all those pups? People often underestimate how many extra calories nursing requires and how much extra fluid intake. If it's especially hot out, she will need a ton of water; what are you feeding her and does she have access to unlimited water? Have you seen them nurse? Does she have enough milk? I'm not one to interfere, but you have to make sure the dog has everything she would have in nature in order to raise healthy pups. Is she loose or tied somewhere?

She has unlimited food and water, and I change the water out every day so it will be fresh and cool. I'm feeding Purina dog chow. I have seen the puppies nurse, and they seem to be fat and healthy...

I'm sorry if you feel some are arrogant & judgmental; but please understand that most of us value our dogs as family, & most of us have held precious little pups in our hands, helped moms whelp pups, turned our homes & lives inside out to support them in whatever way might be best for them, called out from work to care for them, bottle or tube fed pups that were failing ....& on, & on. We love our puppies. Many of us have sent family members packing if they weren't willing to tolerate dogs/pups. We've wrecked our finances to ensure adequate vet support. And then you post with your muddy nosed pups in their too hot dog house. And our hearts break for them, especially when you are admitting they are dying. Very few if us are rich, but we care about our dogs, a lot. Sure big tough GSDs should be just like wild dogs surviving in the heat & the dirt. Some even look like coyotes, but they are not. They are domestic animals that are actually very dependent on humans. Please help your poor mom keep her babies healthy. Provide a clean, dry area for your mom to care for her pups. And your unregistered male should be neutered. Most of us check our registered dogs hips & elbows, & many follow the requirements of the SV & title their dogs before breeding them. Of course accidents happen, but now you need to step up & do right by these pups. Please! We all, I'm sure, would love to see you post again with bragging photos of cute, heathy babies. Good luck, jackie harris

I'd be taking them in the house and making sure it's not hotter than hell ASAP. Oh, you don't have any room because you have 2 kids? I hate to tell you but that's a lame excuse. Sorry, I had an unplanned litter recently, I'm in the middle of a move out of state - so, I have 4 children, me, momma dog and her 9 pups in a 3 bedroom APARTMENT. Yes, apartment, 1000 sq ft apartment in the middle of a large city. I certainly lack for adequate room, but we're making due because I have to.

Point being, you do what you need to do for them, not just cast it aside because "we don't have the room". If it upset you so much to see them dying, you'd do something about it rather than sitting online asking questions, take the bitch to the vet, get her butt in the house where she and the pups can cool off (reality, your closet is better than having them out in the dirt to suffer in the heat - think about it), and deal with it until they are 8 weeks and you can find them new homes. Then, please alter both your animals because you aren't taking care of their offspring with the very least amount of compassion.

First of all

Used carpet has formaldhyde in it   BIG TIME

Second of all
Purina dog food doesn't have any where near enough nutrition for any female with even 6 pups much less that many
If she was not on a special raw meat, some extra bones, and lots of non grain dog chow before she had the pups...she is nutritionaly void...Doubtful she has enough milk.

I am sorry for your loss... NO dog should just have pups in the dirt..Sorry but your dirt may have parvo in it also..

How long has this pen been used.
If she is not contained she may hide them all over and you may see dead pups every where.
Germans are very protective and very smart..If she thinks something is killing her pups she will bury them or hide them or move them many times..SHe may be a nervous dog..

Cannot tell , but with 28 yrs of breeding experience I can tell you ....german shepherds are not like other yard dogs..Their digestive systems are much different and need lots of good diet to keep a female in GOOD shape to feed that many pups.

I suggest you go buy a box of liver from WALMART..tALK TO THE HEAD BUTCHER.. He will round you up some raw liver, not frozen in his counter , till he can get you a box of it...start giving her a palm size piece two times a day ...then find a grain free dog food and change her gradually...not all at once.

DID you give her a dose of OXYTOCIN to make sure her  afterbirth is all gone??

Check moms temperature...is she normal///

If it rains  are they all gonna get wet..I just think you need to have a better safe place for the pups...

dogs cannot reason , we have to do it for them..And NO she is not in the wild..so she cannot take them and put them in a safe place...like you made mention of...she has bounderies and you must provide safe , healthy  and a quiet place that she feels that her pups are ok in...SHE is telling you , listen to her..

Read up on Breeding a german shepherd in some German books, not American...

GOOD LUCK>.

Hope your dirt is free of  any disease and you know if it is or not..
Parvo stays in dirt..
DID the mom get wormed before the litterl...?? If so , then that won't be the reason...PUPS borne with mega roundworms or heavy hook worm infestations die ..some upon first day some last a few weeks some last till they get wormed.

Lots of reasons the pups are dying..
Good luck

YR

What does your vet say?  Surely you have brought mom and the pups in since the pups are dying.

If she's had two litters, she's experienced enough to know what she's doing, don't second guess her decision as to where to have the pups,she knows more then you. If the hole is not in danger of flooding and drowning the pups leave her and the puppies alone. You don't need to keep moving the pups, you are upsetting her and that may be the cause of the pups dying.(moving injury) As for the dirt having bacteria, the mothers milk will give protection from that so I wouldn't worry about it. It's to bad you did't provide her with a place where she felt safe having her puppies before whelping, but what's done is done, just leave her alone and let nature take it's course.

How are the pups??? YR I doubt she has Oxytocin, I don't know how the vets are about it there, but here they aren't giving it to you unless you REALLY know something about dogs because they don't want you killing your dog, or calling them at 3am because some nervous ninny gave too much, gave it at the wrong time etc and caused the uterus to stay clamped down.  Sometimes I think we forget we are NOT the average pet owner.  We love our dogs (not that the average pet owner doesn"t )).  We make our dogs our life, we learn all we can about every aspect of them, take them everywhere.  If we have a bitch whelping even if it is 2am we are up with her and I'm willing to bet everyone has someone we are on the phone with on and off through the entire process giving updates.  I'm also willing to bet I'm not the only one on here that is referred to by people in her area that don't know her name as the GSD lady.  We have put everything we have into our dogs and we LOVE doing it.  The average Joe isn't like us, their idea of a good time is not reading about genetics, debating line breeding, training, nutrition, constantly snapping pictures etc.  That attitude unfortunately carries over into breeding.  We have A LOT invested in our breedings, money, time, hrs upon hrs of research to find the right "pair", evaluating pups and temperaments, training and working pups, finding the right home, The ENORMOUS amount of money spent on Band aids for fingers, new socks (to replace the ones with holes). With all of that invested those pups are pretty important to us.  The average Joe has nothing really invested in the litter, they may love their dog but their dog is "just a pet".  Remember the first obedience class you taught, or how many people call you and ask you a question and all you can think is that is really a thumb up the nose question! What is common sense to us is definitely not to the "normal" person.