Who's the new Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich? - Page 2

steve , the czech(and most other countries) korung is not accepted by the SV  so they cannot be used for breeding in germany and other sv countries , unless they are trained trailed , shown and kored in germany , (or few other SV recognized countries)

Duke1965...thank you for that answer....the value of the dog as a working dog and competition dog is documented....but if the breeding registration process isn't fluid and accepted it will make for a decrease in use. In countries where that is not a problem, like USA, Canada, Mexico,etc, you will find them competing quite successfully in competition and definitely Law Enforcement.

duke1965
There is no problem with Training and getting Titles in Belgium or Germany with the Czech Dogs if the Papers are in order and registered to the Belgian Authorities so the dog can compete in trials in Belgium then it should be okay and qualified to be Korclassed in Belgium
It is the same with my two Dogs bred in Germany, Gina i had to pay and get a signed Certificate from the VDH and send the original pedigree for them to stick it on the face page of the Pedigree, Then i have to take it to the Belgian side and get them to Stamp it more money
Only then could i get a Work book KRUSH for the dog to be able to compete in trials. Now with young Pup Hektor i have to go through it all again but as yet his Pedigree has not come from the VDH yet, but as soon as it does i will go through the system
I guess the Czech Dogs would need the same before we could get a qualified work book for them to compete. That may be why there are so few over in this country
Steve1

Right now I think Belgium has the top high level sport trainers in the world...they are producing excellent top competition dogs, as are the Netherlands through the KNPV training is producing some real nice LE dogs. I think that you probably would put Orry v HA in that upper eschelon with Aly and Asko especially in regards to top competition dogs. But, it will be hard to top Fero in the future because of the branching of the two brothers Troll and Timmy who gave big input into sport and civil dogs.

Gustav
I what you say i agree, I watched some fantastic dog handlers today at the National Belgium Championships, Unfortunatly i had to leave to help out a friend who phoned me half way through so i do not know any results but the handlers were great, Looking at them two i think would go close and they only had one score each when i left a Girl and Julian Clements 3rd WUSV last year i think will go close to being Belgian Champion but i will not know for a few days
That Dog Aly is showing up in a lot of good dogs i think he will be heard of for a few years ahead
Steve1

I think Aly has had more offspring compete in the WUSV than any dog in history already.

steve your missing the point , if a dog is trained and trailed in czech it isnot accepted for breeding in germany , many germans wanted to use dogs like Tom zps , but were simply not allowed to do so by SV rules

ofcoarse , any czech dog can go train and title in any country they want , but most czech owners symply dont

duke1965
Sorry' i should have said Puppies purchased from czech, They should have no problem getting the offical Papers changed to be able to get a work book in Belgium or Germany i would think
Steve1

I may be wrong, but I think the SV still fails to recognize the parentage of the pup, unless they are IPO titled or otherwise recognized by the FCI.

Darylehret
If i buy a Puppy from Germany or any other country then i have to get a special Form officially signed by the Governing body of that country, and to do this in such a case of a German bred Puppy you have to return the original Pedigree to the VDH, First though you fill in a form with all relevant details you send this form to them with the Pedigree you pay through your bank 73 Euros which is about 106 USA dollars, in time they will send you back your Pedigree with this official page stuck on the front of the Pedigree, What we have to do then is to send the changed Pedigree with another form detailing what you want away to the Belgian organization for it to be approved and stamped But you again pay them another 100 plus USA dollars for the privilege
Again in time you will get the Pedigree back Stamped and they send you with it a Yellow Work Book. You can then enter that dog in Competitions until you get this Yellow work book you cannot even get your BH,
Now all this has been done with Gina i now have to go through it all again when i get Hektors Pedigree from the VDH or they may send it back to the breeder to send on to me.
The Puppy is now 3.5 months old and still waiting for his Pedigree and it will take another 6 months to clear it up to get his work book from the time i send the Pedigree back to the VDH and our own body. So by the time i get Hektors work book he will be 9 to 10 months old Plus i will be over 200 dollars lighter.
Steve1