What would you want your dog to do? - Page 2

I apologize to you my friend, I read it as an assult. my mistake jim.
Hank

I would expect my dog to remain in Platz as this is an obedience routine and the person is  HARRASSING .

If this person is not hitting me , as the dog should be able to see, this is a routine, practiced many times.. the dog should know as no one else is intervening and he /she has been given a command.  UNTIL I release the dog , which my dog should know if I thought this person not in my immediate touching reach, was attacking , I would have already commanded my dog to  PAKUM....

IF the dog was in the park or with me on the street or I was in my truck...my dog would have free reign..to do as dog needed.

In this situation , you cannot have a dog on field , to break any command until told to.
THE trial field often has people, ducks, geese, other dogs break and get on or around field. THe dog should be entirely focused on what his master conveys to him.

If a man has a gun in his posession , I do not think , unless you really ticked off someone in USA, he would be at a dog practice or on a USA , dwg trial .

MAYBE so, but I would know , and already have signaled my dog.

The long down is one of the hardest besides the outs to attain...or down in motion...

She said the man runs out and harasses, sounds like an action - more than just verbal.  Maybe Cleo can clear this up.  I'm also wondering, did this really happen?

Platz is platz.  I'm the boss, the decision maker, not my dog, my dog follows my rules - always, no matter what because he's the dog.  If I were in the situation and someone put their hands on me in such an aggressive manner that  I wanted my dog to intervene,  I have a command for that situation too, but again, it would be my decision, and obviously since I am giving an action command, the dog would not be breaking the down.  So no, my dog is never to break his down.   I recognize there are people who feel it is necessary to train a dog  to react on his  own, I'm just decidedly and emphatically not one of them.   This may come back to bite me in the butt if I put my dog on a down, then I fall into a well, so I die before my dog decides to run and tell someone or something, but that's a chance I'm willing to take because platz is platz.

This has NOTHING to do with whether or not a dog is protective, protective is temperment not obedience. Jim hit the nail on the head.  As a matter of fact, please know that  with over protective weak nerve dogs, people BETTER have a rock solid bomb proof down.

Red Sable:

IN getting ready for trials and all kinds of obedience in Schutzhund, we often do these types of things..
In police training for the patrol dogs, or when you are in a protection phase , many different similiar  tricks are done to try to get the dog to break his  COMMAND

The person ran toward the person on field  but it did not say he hit , it says he is harrassing.

We do this all the time in practice fields to keep the dog  ready for anything. IF the master , commands the dog to come and break the platz he will..If not the dog is to stay where he is told to platz..

YR

PS:  NO where did the poster indicate it is LEO training.

Thanks YR.  I wasn't sure if this was a planned training session, or she (he?) was just out working the dog and some idget came out and harassed  her.

I also agree the dog should be obedient.

Yes Rd Sable, the poster didn't specifically say it was a trial field or a sceduled training trick ,but where it is or is not,,,same thing applies


We have in our possession a dangerous MOUTH and a lot of power in a jaw , in our control , platzed on a ground and we walk 35 paces away and the dog must always wait his MASTERS intent , of COMMAND>

AT ALL TIMES>>>> a person yelling is known ... a person jumping out of a bush on a walk is different..the dog still should not attack , but dog should maintain a  BARK AND HOLD>>>

THE dog should immediately show the intruder , I AM DOG>..and then the master will ccommand the dog to do what the master wants.

The law of our land says,,,you cannot take the law in your own hands, by using a gun or a dog.
The dog can protect but should be taught proper proceedure to take the intruder down and hold for law or owner to use  his billy club...no not really...I think a baseball bat is better....I am kidding of course..

I want no dog on my property to ever attack anyone unless I am not home and they come over my fence and procede to my front door...
THEN it is  body bag time...

I actually never leave my dogs outside for them to get shot or killed to obtain my front door. I put the dog on the inside.

YR

Jim I too was thinking assault when I read harassment. Someone coming at me yelling and threatening, like someone would do that to a chunky old bat like me, and if they did, yes I would consider them a threat. 
 
No the dog should not decide to break the command, but I probably would have recalled them when I saw someone coming at me who was not acting friendly.
This way they would be close by and that is usually enough for the stranger to change their direction if not aimed at me or their attitude.

Also in my first post when I said the dog should break the down does not mean they should attack. I want them to return to my side.

Someone sneaking around that I don't see, I want them to alert me to the problem not go on the attack. I prefer them to return to my side and then I decide what action they should take.

Someone put their hands on me in a threatening way, yes they may bite away.  They need to protect their dinner ticket.

This is not something that I have come across in schutzhund, I was merely curious as to what people would want out of their dogs.

 I meant that if a stranger runs towards the owner/handler, yelling, but not actually touching the owner/handler. 

I honestly can't decide what I would prefer my dog to do, but I think it's a good point that if a stranger physically hurt the handler, few dogs would stay in a down.

I would want my dog to run to the vehicle and jump in his crate. I've spent way too much time and money training him to possibly get hurt. Besides, I wouldn't want him watching me bitch slap a human. He may lose all respect for mankind.