SICK PUPPY......Some advice would be GREATLY appreciated! - Page 2

My pup did throw up for about a couple of weeks or so after being diagnosed finally with Isospora, he was very ill with it and actually was on a drip for 3 days to hydrate him. For the month after he was given Probiotics with one meal and was wormed every two weeks for 8 weeks. We also had him on 4 meals a day, you don't mention how many times you feed a day?  Also he was crated for a short while after feeding to keep him calm as running, playing would make him vomit.

Does your pup gulp his food? Our pup did with to begin with and I put a large stone/rock in his bowl. Overfeeding can cause both sickness and diarrhea.
Do you keep him quiet after a meal to allow him to digest his food? I always wait at least 45 mins after exercise before feeding my 2 dogs and never exercise for at least 45 mins after a meal.
Sorry for all the questions but how old was your pup when you got him?

My pup was 9½ weeks and had been fed on NatureDiet Puppy [wet food in slab packets] we continued feeding him this interlinked periodically with Hills I/D for when his gut got upset, NatureDiet agreed with him but he went off it on its own so we tried mixing it with various kibbles such as the Purina ProPlan Puppy, CSJ Puppy, Eukanuba Puppy and loose stools returned, in the end James Wellbeloved White Ocean Fish Puppy kibble seemed to stabilise him.  He is now fed JWB Junior Duck kibble mixed with a little tinned Butchers Puppy and is on 2 meals a day now, he decided himself that 2 meals were enough.

He is now 26 weeks old and can eat practically anything with no gut trouble.

What does your vet say about the vomiting? If it continues I would seek advice from him again, but try the things I have mentioned above.

Perhaps I missed it, but did you mention how many meals per day you're presently feeding him? At 10 weeks of age, he should be getting his total daily intake divided into *at least* 3 feedings--4 would be even better, but usually doesn't fit well with owner's work schedules and such. 

Can't say that I'd go the route of soaking his food until it's mush, but I would (and do) add enough warm water to the kibble that it's nearly looks like it a kibble soup.  That also helps slow them down, which is a *must* because dogs that 'wolf' their feed tend to also swallow a good deal of air along with it and are at a greater risk of bloating.

You mentioned that the vet did a barium series--was it a complete GI tract series, or did it only image from esophagus to the stomach?  If the latter, you might need to consider whether there's an obstruction in the intestinal tract, and additional films would be needed--sometimes the only clinical sign you get of a bowel obstruction or intussusception is diarrhea or regurgitation of feed.  He hasn't had any instances of getting into anything that's clothlike and linear, such as a sock or other clothing? Has he eaten any non-food items that you're aware of?

Even if the breeder wormed the pup, that's not going to prevent him from getting reinfected if his environment contained the eggs, and clearing hookworm and whipworm from the ground is difficult to accomplish.  Ditto for coccidia. 

As far as taking measures to keep him quiet, yes I usually try to keep him quiet in his crate an hour before and after I feed him.

He does eat fast and I should and will begin to use a slowfeed boew.  After the vet took the X-ray he said he saw no signs of an obstruction, and he has had good stools sonce he was diagnosed with coccidia.  I am currently feeding him Three meals a day but I guess I may need to go to four or 5 and make them much smaller. 

What are some good Very Limited ingredient Kibbles other than the ones metioned already?  I think I am going to try to feed him boiled beef and rice, with yogurt and maybe an egg here and there for a few weeks to see if it will allow his stomach to heel and then start re-introducing kibble. 

With multiple wormings after coccidia and worm infestation, you could be dealing with something as simple as a very damaged gut. If he were mine, I would put him on a very high quality probiotic and feed him chicken and rice, and overcook the rice so it's really easy to digest. You could also boil some ground beef for variety. I would also give him digestive enzymes (something like N'zymes) to help him get his intestinal flora back in balance. I had a dog act like this once after multiple wormings, and though unusual, some dogs are just more sensitive than others, and some wormers are harder on the host animal than others. Fenbendazole is great in that it targets the parasitic cells and not the host, so it's quite safe in large quantities and extended periods. 

FWIW, you may also have a stubborn case of giardia on your hands, and I would do a fenbendazole giardia treatment over 3-5 days, and immediately after or during, add the enzymes and probiotics and see what you end up with. 

You've ruled out most of the common "big stuff," so I'd look at simple fixes that are often overlooked first, and then look into some of hexe's suggestions and questions about possible obstructions, etc. 

I am dismayed that returning him was an answer to your quest for advice. Why are puppies so disposable?

So through the advice so far I have decided to go with a chicken and rice or Beef and rice mixture.  I plan on adding some greek yodurt in here and there.  I also have him on some Pro-biotic tabs.  I was wondering, as I have never fed a dog this way compared to a kibble, how much would you feed an 11 pound puppy to ensure that he continues growing and gaining weight? ratio of meat to rice?

Jenni,  He has been through two rounds of panacur which if Im not mistaken has the active ingredient fenbendazole.  Would this be affective as my Giardia treatment?

I am surprised your puppy weighs only 11 lbs, do you mean kgs, or has he lost a lot of weight through the coccidia? The pup I mentioned is a Border Collie and he is a small dog as collies go and at 10 weeks he weighed 5kgs [11 lbs] and he was skin and bone underneath all his fur - my German Shepherd at that age weighed 9.7kgs [21.35 lbs]

I think you should get your pup back to the vet ASAP for further investigations, if it were me I would be very concerned at the low weight he is. The sheps I have had all weighed between 7-11 kgs at 10 weeks old.

I do agree with the last two paragraphs that hexe wrote and with Jenni78 too. I used Purina Fortiflora Probiotic in powder form for 30 days with my pup and are very palatable.

FortiFlora Canine granules are a simple and natural way to aid your dog’s digestion.  All pet owners know that from time to time many dog’s experience diarrhea and digestive upset.  The usual causes are stress, such as moving house or a period in boarding kennels, a change in diet or simply a weakened immune system due to old age or the use of anti-biotics.  Whilst obviously unpleasant diarrhea in dogs is also potentially dangerous as it leads to dehydration, and a further weakened state of health with fewer nutrients being absorbed by the gut.

Purina FortiFlora for Dogs

FortiFlora for Dogs is a probiotic dietary supplement rich in antioxidents, vitamins and minerals.  It’s primary ingredient however is the organism Enterococcus faecium, a ‘good’ bacteria that helps restore the guts natural balance.  A non-prescription dog medicine it can be extremely useful but you should consult with your vet to determine whether probiotics for dogs are an effective form of treatment for your pet.  If so, do buy FortiFlora online to benefit from cheap pet med prices, of course!

The product itself comes in one gram sachets that are simply sprinkled onto your pet’s food.  They are reportedly highly palatable and so taken well by most animals.  An alternative product Fortiflora for Cats is also available for treating felines.

Young puppies and elderly dogs often experience bouts of diarrhea and may be safely treated with such probiotics.  But unexplained recurrent problems of the digestive system should always be discussed with your vet.

FortiFlora Canine supplement contains Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl- 2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite and C-4582.  It is this C-4582 that provides the guaranteed 1 X 10⁸ CFU/g of naturally occuring live beneficial organisms.

Improving your dog’s immune system and overall health,, along with this influx of beneficial probiotics is a simple way to improve digestion and

When you are ready to go back to kibble I would try the Natural Balance LID diets. As they are VERY limited ingredient. I would try either their venison and potatoe or the Bison and potatoe formula. Another great kibble is Pinnacle... they have a duck and also a fish formula.

As for probiotics... I use one called ProBios... I get it at a feed store. It is in a powder version. It is also available at Tractor Supply Company.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/equine/horse-health/horse-supplements/digestion/probios-reg-dispersible-powder-240-grams-5070432

Is the puppy feeling better since you posted this?
Just curious? I've seen this as a 1 or 2 day stomach virus before with similar symptoms. I was scared and thought it was parvo, but didnt see any blood in watery stool. There was vomit and diahrea every couple of hours, and omg it stank.  I took a risk and didn't take him to the vet. Took him off dog food all together, just gave him cooked white rice with canned pumpkin mixed in for 2 days.  He stopped vomiting, and his stool began to get solid. He was all better, like nothing happened after that.
Hope everything turns out good for your pup.

Try feding stuff that talks longer to eat i.e. raw chicken wings. See if you can leave out all cereal foods as it is not natural for the canine species. Many manage the substitute but many do not. Dogs do not normally eat cereals for in  nature they do not graze. Try lumps of  raw beef as well as the chicken wings plus any other raw meat you can get - maybe lamb. Try giving a raw carrot to chew on. Your pup will improve, have no fear. cheers, Margaret

Panacur is fenbendazole, correct. Problem is, I don't know what you mean by "rounds." A giardia course is longer and higher dosage than a normal worming course. If he's had enough of it that should've taken care of the giardia, then I think your likely culprit is just a little body that's been overwhelmed with chemical assaults and some good, homecooked food along w/probiotics and enzymes may be a huge help.