Score book - Page 2

Hedi, fair enough on all counts. That you choose to train and title your dogs garners my full respect regardless of any "affiliation." UScA does maintain a breed registry based upon the SV model to include "pink papers." And, you are absolutely correct that the majority of members from both organizations do not fully "walk the talk" nor is there any disciplinary mechanism in place to encourage member adherence like with the SV. But, here is a key starting point, UScA maintains a registry that represents the standard that at the least many of us give "lip service" to. GSDCA represents an organization who's standards for registry are non existent beyond purely bred. Such a baseline position from a huge "parent" organization with it's own priorities is not an optimal starting point for the preservation of our breed. JMO and I am fully respectful of those who feel otherwise. Kevin Nance

You can also take the other side of the coin and look at some of the German showlined dogs, who are issued a working paper, that are bred.  Does the SV have a standard? Yes and it is regimented and can appear rigorous.  I have experience with some of these dogs that should never be bred, and they have the pedigree and the titles issued from the SV.  I have run my fair share of circles and hills.  There is crap everywhere.  I understand your concern.  I personally do not care much for the show aspect.  I prescribe to the working dog and if I get a "G" rating I am fine with that.  If the dog works, let it work....I do not think that stupid paper politics should interfere with the working.  If a dog who's owner is a GSDCA-WDA member has a good dog....bring it on at a UScA event, at any trial or any field.  Scorebook garbage politics should not interfere with the work, and it does.  If the dog sucks, it will run....bottom line.  I have little experience in the United States and still think all this scorebook prejudices silly and hurts the sport.  It is not like there are tons of clubs in this country to begin with and this adds to it.  Both organizations are members of the WUSV, WE compete on the same WORLD TEAM!!!!  Instead you have people who are having to worry about their "scorebook" and who their judge was when they earned their title.  Sad state of affairs and I do not support it. 

I think we could be potentially one and the same....work the dog.  I would have to say our differences are the fact that you support the divide in not accepting the scorebook, which I think is garbage policy.  You articulation is that the lack of standard.   I think there is garbage in any organization and think that all scorebooks should be accepted anywhere at any trial.  Guess I will order my SV scorebook to avoid all the garbage policy and maintain my membership there to avoid being discriminated against here in the US and trial anywhere I choose....              

I am REALLY confused.  I called USA yesterday (the main number) and they told me that a person MUST be a member of USA to show at any USA event (even local breed shows).  Then, she told me that I may not be a member because I am a member of the GSDCA.  So, as of yesterday, I was told that I may not participate in any USA events.

Sara

When I asked USA if they accepted the GSDCA-WDA scorebook, I was told point blank they would not. Has anyone been successful having one of the GSDCA-WDA scorebooks accepted?

Children and toys!!!

Dog1 I got a USCA scorebook but inserted a photocopy of a title from a WDA scorebook and they didn't say anything.  I never tried to give them the WDA scorebook though.

Smiley,

You have missed about 2 years of on the job training to navigate the USA/WDA dilemma created by USA known commonly as the 'JA'. Do a search and I think you will find enough information about it. It's a dead horse that's been beat too many times.

Since you are a member of the GSDCA a 'competing German Shepherd organization' you cannot be a USA member. Since you are a GSDCA member,,,,which is a WUSV member you can participate in all USA events. Go back and read the last two sentences a couple of times and you'll eventually understand it.

Make sense? No? OK, we agree nothing about it makes sense.  You just have to accept it.

Dog,

I apologize!  I am not trying to be difficult!!  I just want to be able to show my pup for a rating and I want it to be able to count!!

I tried to order the USA magazine and they said I can't. I am not a USA member.  So, I tried to become a USA member and they said that I can't because I just (5/2011) became a GSDCA member.  

So, I tried to join a USA club so that I could see if my pup had schutzhund potential but I couldn't because I am a GSDCA member.  What stinks is that there are a crapload of USA clubs in my area and hardly any WDA ones. I called one and they are no longer affiliated. The other moved to NY but I told them I am still interested as it appears I need a WDA club.

I inquired about showing my girl at a german style USA conformation show in my area (CT or NH) and I was flat out told by USA that I could not because I can't become a USA member because I am a GSDCA member. 

I am totally and completely confused. I am sorry. *sigh* 

I just want to be able to attend a local show and try to acquire a rating that will be recognized by everyone.  I hope to maybe look into doing the breed survey thing with her as well......

Again, my apologies. I don't know about any past history regarding this issue. I am new to everything.

But..while I am posting....do I need a scorebook for the german conformation rating or just the breed survey.  Maybe I don't even need a scorebook yet?

Thanks,

Sara

Ok..after I posted I called USA yet again..in tears and utterly confused. I know, I am too sensitive.

Anyway, the woman said I was given the wrong information yesterday and this is what she told me:

I *can* be a GSDCA member and trial or do a conformation show at USA events and do so as a NON-MEMBER of USA.

BUT, I need to also be a member of the SV, DVG, or AWDF (I hope I wrote down the initials correctly).  She may have said another one too.

Then, I would need to attain a SV, DVG, or AWDF scorebook.  Apparently, I only need this scorebook for titles and not for a breed show rating.

I can then show at USA events as a NON-MEMBER.

If I show at a GSDCA-WDA event in conformation than I need to make sure the judge is an SV judge and then USA will recognize it.

So, this is the new information I received today!  It's good news...I think!!!

Sara

The whole thing is a ridiculous mess. Thank you Gayle, for trying to clarify, although it appears UScA is not on the same page judging by what Sara was told.

I am not a big supporter of what GSDCA has done to the breed in the last 40-50 years either, but if we want change it must come from within. So either join and help outnumber those that thumb their nose at a working standard, or ignore GSDCA completely. Since the GSDCA, is, through the AKC, the SV and FCI recognized registry in USA. No matter how ill that makes you, ignoring it will do nothing to stop, and maybe someday reverse, the damage the American show type has done to a working breed. That's my two cents.

I know WDA is not a perfect organization either, but while UScA's policies continue to make entry a nightmare to owners and breeders who only want to support a working breed standard for the GSD, I will not support any UScA event with my entries, nor will will I encourage any of my clients or puppy buyers to do so.

If and when the JA is ever lifted, I will happily rejoin UScA and send a letter of thanks with my check. The working dog needs support, and I will gladly give it. Trialing and showing is time consuming, stressful, and expensive enough as it is without buying stock in Advil to combat all the migraines sifting through this disaster will give you. No thanks.

I sincerely hope the UScA comes to understand the frustration and confusion this causes, and that it IS turning people off to the sport. Mutual respect between the organization will only do the breed good in the long run- isn't that what these clubs were created for in the first place?

Gustav-