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by Uber Land on 28 October 2010 - 02:10
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/129103.html
tried to edit my above posts, but the site wouldn't allow me.
by tenmon on 28 October 2010 - 19:10
I love the mating. I particularly like the idea of having the KNPV line in both parents and in opposite sides of the parents breeding. The Carmen Tiekerhook line is awesome. She is in my bitche's line. Very hard bite.
by tenmon on 28 October 2010 - 20:10
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the case of linebreeding, one has to select the dog ones intention is to line on, and then with a wide array of breeding, bring in a line that is related, distantly that is, to mate with him/her, thus keeping the dogs line one is breeding on, in sight, not losing focus of it. For example Fero, one can get a dog down from him to mate back with a son/daughter, focusing on working and structural preferences, thus keeping his line in place, but keep the hybrid vigor flowing through the lines. Obviously as the generation intensify, the target dog is replaced with another down from his/her line. But one do not jump from a female to a male line to continue the line.
However one must always remember that because we are dealing with this closed gene pool, whatever you breed on takes away from the other. Since the work and structure is on the same gene, everytime one intensify the work, you lose something in the structure. Concentrating more on hard, intense working ability of the dogs, one can in no matter of time get the firm grip, jaw crunching ability of the line (which is not too good) but with the down side of the structure. Everything in moderation here.
Just my thoughts.
by jc.carroll on 28 October 2010 - 23:10
Bob,
You'll have to keep us posted on that breeding!
Ruger1,
I don't see a problem with Ruger's linebreeding. It's not that uncommon. I'm planning a linebreeding which would look like this:
5 - 5,5........................................... in VA10 Scott von Deodatus
4 - 5............................................. in VA4 Odin vom Hirschel
4 - 5............................................. in VA4 Beaury van de Huis Kirura
4 - 4............................................. in V SG6(1999 BSZS) Wallace aus Agrigento
5 - 5............................................. in V Gusta aus Agrigento
5 - 5............................................. in VA6 Dux della Valcuvia
3 - 5,4........................................... in VA1 Bax von der Luisenstraße
Now I would consider this dog's linebreeding bad, more from the resulting dog than from the amount of close breeding. The results was a female who is visually not a very good example of the breed. She was the subject of a heated "discussion" on the board several years ago.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/488380.html
These are some very close linebreeding in American Showline dogs. I've spoken with the breeder a few times online. I like him. I'm not a fan of the Am GSD, but he takes his breeding program and his dogs seriously, even if it's not what folks here would approve of:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/524132.html
by Uber Land on 29 October 2010 - 00:10
by tenmon on 29 October 2010 - 17:10
I'm new to the breeding techniques that are employed by GSD fanciers. Of your planned breeding, what are you linebreeding on? There are so many dogs listed I would have liked you to elaborate a bit more on why you think this is a good mating. Techniques are the same be it employed for the show or working, I think.
The female that was up for discussion some time back (pedigree/488380 above) regarding physical deficiencies, is a result of bringing in a total outcross to rejuvinate the blood of the show line that had no substantial working in its background. Not a bad idea initially, but this is what you get when you now stir up the gene pool again when one is trying to do a showline/working line cross. You don't ever know what you are going to get. Obviously this cross did not work.
I'm not a showline person but strictly a working.
by BoCRon on 29 October 2010 - 17:10
Seems pretty typical for a lot of the Highline pedigrees I've seen (I'm no expert on pedigrees, but do seem to spend ridiculous amounts of time looking at them ;)). A bit heavier on the linebreeding then some, but not uncommon.
Here's a pedigree that someone else posted on another forum looking for opinions. I didn't comment since I had nothing to add to the discussion, but, WOW.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/683998.html
Annette
by pride on 31 October 2010 - 08:10
Linebreeding - 5 generations
* 5 - 4............................................. in VA1 Ursus von Batu
* 5 - 4............................................. in V Jalna du Haut Mansard
* 5 - 4............................................. in VA1 Bax von der Luisenstraße
* 5 - 4............................................. in VA1 Karma vom Ochsentor
* 4 - 3............................................. in VA1 Pakros d' Ulmental
* 5 - 4............................................. in VA3 (F) Owen du Fossé de Norva
* 4 - 3............................................. in VA2 (F) Rangoon du Haut Mansard
* 3 - 2............................................. in VA1 (2008 & 2009) Vegas du Haut Mansard
by pride on 19 November 2010 - 10:11
by Gustav on 19 November 2010 - 14:11
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