KC Rep at Clyde Valley Champ Show To-day. - Page 2

The club will have hired part of the park in which to hold the show, and so the show manager could be expected to request passers by leave.
Whatever anyone might think about KC rules, you know what they are before you enter and so, if you don't like them the solution is easy! ............. Just stop at home and save your money!
If you want to socialise your pups, then get them along to your breed club training night!

 You miss the point here Zac they have hired the ground to hold a show it is not fenced of it is a public park and so it is open to the public no matter what the rules say you cannot stop the public from walking in the park that is there right even if there is a dog show on as i said above this rule can only apply when you pay for entry into the show
jim h

There was definitely a Not for Competition at the cost of £1.

As a committee member of a breed club for my other breed I know very well what its like for committee members to give of their precious time to run shows for the benefit of exhibitors and how frustrating it is to have one or two selfish exhibitors ruin it for everyone else.  I also know from first hand experience how pedantic KC Field Officers can be and how this very same rule was breached by an exhibitor at one of our shows, and their attitude was the same as some on here, sod the committee and the club, I will do what I like.  Who gets the flack, the exhibitor?  No, the club.  But then, some people would not care if all clubs lost their CC's but where does that leave those that wish to show at KC shows - the rules are there, like them or not, so if you don't like them then stay away. 

As for the ridiculous argument that you need to double handle to enjoy a show, well ask the many thousands of people who attend shows every week and manage to do it without double handling whether they enjoy their showing or not.  No-one says you have to sit with your hands under your bum in total silence, or not be able to show your approval (or not!) of the judge's opinions, but out of respect for the owners of the dogs being shown and the judge this should be done when the results have been announced.  I personally like the way they do things in the challenges abroad when the whole ringside claps as the winners go round waiting to be chosen, but this does not give any advantage to any particular dog, so is fair to everyone, unlike double handling which penalises those of us who prefer to handle our own dogs. 

 Hi Doppelganger,
                                 I started showing GSD,s in 1980 and have many good times to remember, however in the late 90,s my wife and I decided to leave the show scene because of the heavy handed methods of the KC.

You and Zac state "People know the rules,if you don,t like them stay away" ,  this narrow minded attitude is one of the reasons people are leaving KC run events to run their own. (With great success)

As to KC rules, imo rules are for guidence, and can and should be relaxed in certain circumstances. GSD folk are not stupid , and realise at all breed shows rules need to be applied for the benefit of all. But surely at a breed show common sense prevails and rules relaxed, or is this to simple to understand.

                                                                                                                  Jok K.

 Doppelganger if you dont like double handling then go to the shows that restrict it and if you like to double handle your dog go to the shows that allow it there is now a choice, all breed shows no DH, wusv shows DH, with limited DH at all breed shows  ie calling your dog but no running around the ring.That is one of our gains we now have a choice.
Jok agree with you 100%
jim h

Thank you Weeman for displaying in your post precisely what I meant by Common Sense.

Doppleganger, once again you fail to comprehend the significance of a post. I DID NOT SAY in order to enjoy oneself one has to double handle, what I said was that a person mentioned double handling sometimes came from over excitement of people enjoying themselves and likened it to being a bit like cheering on your team at other sports events to this the other person said, "Ah but you are not at dog shows to enjoy yourself" , point is it wasnt a sarcastic comment he actually meant it. He didnt say you dont have to double handle to enjoy yourself, he said you dont go to shows to enjoy yourself, double handling was not the issue, enjoyment at shows was and the fact that some KC followers seem to think shows are not there for our enjoyment. Now please read and understand before making further comment in support of your precious KC. Nothing is perfect in this world not even the KC, only trouble is the KC are one of the few establishments that continue to find excuses for their imperfections, rather than work with people to find solutions for them.

Regards
Sue b

Please don't patronise me Sue B, my comment about double handling was not in direct response to what was in your post which I am quite capable of reading and understanding, it is the general argument that is often given on here that shows without double handling cannot be enjoyed.  As some of you seem incapable of accepting KC rules I can only say don't complain when you either get KC'd or lose more shows for other people.  I certainly do not consider the KC to be 'my precious', if you only knew the grief my club was going through at present you would realise the irony of that statement.  You may not agree with rules, but as a former top agility judge used to say, 'rules is rules, pet'.  They certainly were in his case, he no longer judges as he was banned by the KC for a serious misdemeanour. 

Doppelganger,
                            One of the big problems with the show scene is that members of the KC have no way of changing the rules, even if the majority were in favour of it.   It is run in a totally undemocratic way by people who know the common member can do nothing about it, helped of course by the attitude of  people like yourself.

I dont know who you are ,but you appear to have a LARGE chip on you shoulder against the GSD fraternity in general.

Can I ask why you are so against double handling at a GSD BREED show, when the vast majority of people there are ok with it ?

Can I also ask why you agree with the strict enforcement of KC rulesat all times ?

I look forward to your reply

By the way WHO are you?
                                                   Jok K.

There is only one answer to your post Jok - everyone who registers a dog or enters a show under KC rules signs a form which states that they 'agree to submit to and be bound by Kennel Club Rules and Regulations'.

This is not my rule and I have to say I am certainly not in favour of every Kennel Club rule, nor do I have a chip on my shoulder, I do however have an opinion which like everyone else I am entitled to share, and as for double handling, it is against Kennel Club rules at licensed shows.  End of.  However, as an owner handler I do not want to be disadvanted by someone who is breaking a rule.  Having another breed as well I spend a lot of time at shows trying to justify why GSD people think 'we'  (and I do include myself) should be treated differently to other breeds.  At the last two shows I was at (an all breed and a GSD show) there was no obvious double handling and yet surprise surprise all the handlers still managed to show their dogs.  They were both pleasant shows with exhibitors enjoying themselves and showing their approval at the results, so it can be done.  Try it, you might just like it.