Can You Say "Knucklehead"??? - Page 2

So the best you come up with is 4 generations back??  There aren't enough dogs with good blood and work in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generations?  This dog is worthy of breeding?  Or, it's a case of someone trying to make money off of breeding caca?

No Phil.  The best I can come up with is Triumph's Gucci  3 generations back and the paternal grandfather SG Apache V.D.VIJF Molens (SCHH3,IP3,VH3 KKL.1A).  Now, you may consider it "caca", but apparently both his sire and dam do SchH and almost all his parentage backs out to german dogs.  You hold up another person's dog up for ridicule, not to mention the person, as if you were a card-carrying Breed Warden for US(schutzhund)A.  I find it amusing because I regularly read of idiots who get taken for big money by some weasel who advertises the sale of pups by the "premier dogs" in the world.  Now, I'm assuming that you are way too busy getting your fine K-9 alter-ego ready for Columbus, where the two of you will plow the competition under, to really bother too much with what "Larry the Cable Guy" plans to do with his pooch and bass boat.  Me, I'm more of a Ron White or Katt Williams kind of guy.

The guy will only make money if the owner of a bitch is willing to breed to his dog, and even then it will be what; $500.00.  If they do their due dilligence, they will either agree with you, or not.  In this US market awash in Canto/Quanto cookie-cutter studs, it is refreshing to find that you can still find a stud that is a mix of Ingo von Rudingen and Greif zum Lahntal blood-lines.  I also find enough of interest both in the pedigree as well as in the pictures that lead me to think that the information on the ancestors is incomplete as pertains to working titles.  If you read carefully, I don't endorse the dog for breeding, but I wouldn't blackball him automatically.  Some, as you call them, "premier dogs" have been the offspring of a less than stellar stud judiciusly bred to the right bitch.

Participating in SchH and getting titled are quite different

BTW The dog's front legs are bowed and his ears are too far on the sides of his head.

The best you can come up with is Triumph's Gucci?????  C'mon, you know I am a working dog guy, please don't insult me by mentioning a show dog.  I won't even ask how many times SchHIII and let's see "that" score.  Sorry, no Columbus, USCA will not get one more dime of my Benjamins.

And on the original note, can we "assume" you will be in line for one of these stellar puppies? 

I'm sure you could get one real cheap!  His last litter, males were $200 and females, $150!

Heh,heh,heh,heh... Looks like I may have rained on the lynch mob...  Read my post.  I neither give the dog a "pass" or a "fail".  I comment that his pedigree has enough in it to be of  interest, particularly for a breeder in the right situation.  Also, the guy owns a male.  Even the most ignorant of dog owners knows that putting it up for stud does not qualify him as a "breeder".  The owner of the "bitch" is the proper entity to make the judgement as to the fitness of a particular male.  The Martins did keep a "gangster" dog to fix some of the vices of their showline pedigrees.

I'm amazed at the ability of some here to assess a dog from what is an awful vantage point on what most would characterize as a family polaroid quality picture.  Now, I can understand that some here need to validate their egos, not to mention justify their dogs by having them subjected to every type of analysis they can think of, and if that floats your boat, I'm happy for ya.

Phil; I won't insult you by reminding you that you were the original poster of this posse.   I, for one,would never expect you to do any research that went deeper than that button nose of yours nor wider than the space between your eyebrows.  I must assume that if you are not going to take your fine canines to USA, your lofty standards must then be aiming for KNPV, since most opine that IPO is a watered down version of SchH...   Or maybe there was no invite in the mail.  As to your comment on Triumphs Gucci, I'm an old school guy and will let showshepherds4me defend the suitability of the "prancing pack" dogs to you and you can defend the working lines to her.  Heck, you can invite me to the wedding.  IMPO, I like dogs that are suited to do both well.  You know, they used to breed them in the 1960's 70's and 80's, before the breed schism.  Not that any of you could do it.

Nope.  I won't be in line for one of his pups, if there were any...   I am already at the limit my homeowners' association permits and it would not look good if an officer of the HOA were to violate the rules.  However, that is not a bad price for unregistered GSD's and keeps the research labs and other animal abusers away.  Don't worry little boys & girls, I doubt that he trolls for the same lofty customers you probably do.

Holding this guy up to ridicule for no good reason casts a searing light much more on you than on him...  I'm certainly glad to have had this invaluable insight.

He does need better, more flattering pictures of his dog.

Yes; it's hard to judge any dog period, let alone one slumping on a table. 

This makes the guy a breeder  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/97552.html and finding Ingo Rudingen back in the 7th generation as a great, great, great, great, great grandfather kind of deletes any effect he will have on litters now don't you think?

I think that you don't grasp the concept of "bloodlines" and how they carry on the paternal line.  That's alright because you've already established that your reading comprehension is abysmal too.   Let's look at the ad you pathetically seek as proof that the guy is a "breeder":

i have 4 pups left to find a good home . they come with there first shots/worming i have mother/father on site.pups are blk/sable males are 200.00 females are 150.00. no papers these pups will make great protectiondogs and even better compions.in atlanta ga. thanks .... i only hae camera phone so if you need pics then leave number.

This sounds like his dogs had an unscheduled and accidental breeding and the guy is rehoming the pups without papers.  If anything, the guy sounds a lot more sincere than many "breeders" who promote their pups like they're offering the next bundesieger...  I can only surmise that selling them without papers is to keep them out of the market, or maybe he had yet to register the female.  One can also assume that he'd rather sell them at the equivalent of a rehoming fee than put them in a burlap bag and toss them in a lake...