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by paulie on 28 November 2009 - 18:11
I agree with Mackenie, in as much as there needs to be some governing body to sanction the allocation and selection of Judges, as i have advocated many times in various threads on this Database, but feel i am hoping against hope that it will come to pass.
On his other point, i feel i should mention that we have a perfectly good training scheme for Judges organised by the GSDL / GSDP.
When i completed my GSDL Judges course in 1985 it consisted of four seminars spread over the year, two in a class room setting during the morning, with the afternoon sessions taking place outside , giving our instructors our interpretations of the assembled Dogs.
The third seminar was a lecture in Anatomy given by a Professor from Cambridge University Vet.college.
The final seminar consisted of a written exam, followed by a practical exam in which every student had to judge the same group of animals, and explain their placings to the instructors. As to Mackenzie alluding that there should be SV judges overseeing any future tests, it may interest him to know the names of the instructors in those far off days, they were Brian Wooton, Percy Elliott, and the Allans, Clarissa and Roy, all SV judges.
Regards as always.
Paul Rattigan
On his other point, i feel i should mention that we have a perfectly good training scheme for Judges organised by the GSDL / GSDP.
When i completed my GSDL Judges course in 1985 it consisted of four seminars spread over the year, two in a class room setting during the morning, with the afternoon sessions taking place outside , giving our instructors our interpretations of the assembled Dogs.
The third seminar was a lecture in Anatomy given by a Professor from Cambridge University Vet.college.
The final seminar consisted of a written exam, followed by a practical exam in which every student had to judge the same group of animals, and explain their placings to the instructors. As to Mackenzie alluding that there should be SV judges overseeing any future tests, it may interest him to know the names of the instructors in those far off days, they were Brian Wooton, Percy Elliott, and the Allans, Clarissa and Roy, all SV judges.
Regards as always.
Paul Rattigan
by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 18:11
Hello Paulie
I am aware of the judges training scheme and of those who qualified through the SV. Unfortunately some are no longer with us and at this time possibly too old to help get a scheme moving. However, any Judges training, examination and licensing must come from an established source with real power to make the changes. If testing for judges does become mandatory it would also include the Alsatianists and therefter possibly convert them to the recognised world standard for the breed.
The suggestion of SV judges coming from Germany is, in the early days, to try to avoid passes on the friends and old boys basis. These SV Judges neeed not necessarily come from the Show side alone.
Mackenzie
I am aware of the judges training scheme and of those who qualified through the SV. Unfortunately some are no longer with us and at this time possibly too old to help get a scheme moving. However, any Judges training, examination and licensing must come from an established source with real power to make the changes. If testing for judges does become mandatory it would also include the Alsatianists and therefter possibly convert them to the recognised world standard for the breed.
The suggestion of SV judges coming from Germany is, in the early days, to try to avoid passes on the friends and old boys basis. These SV Judges neeed not necessarily come from the Show side alone.
Mackenzie
by bazza on 28 November 2009 - 19:11
NODDI, No offence but above you said " so go ahead and slag me off to your hearts content" Could you please point out where anyone did that before you stuck your paranoid nose into others comments? You have your opinions on DP which you are entitled to, as does everyone else.
Davey your comments above about Corjon are just about what one can expect from you, LOW. You seem to forget you owned one of the dogs at the centre of all this JRD scare. Of course typical of you , you removed your kennel name from said dog and passed him on to someone else!!!!
Mackenzie, your heart is in the right place, but no amount of judges training, or licensing will change what some judges do on the field. There will always be favour judging, how you change that is beyond me. At a recent show a PUPPY took the CC, now i do not care how good a puppy is this should never happen, do you think had that judge been licensed it would have changed the result? NO WAY. I am sorry to say we will just have to accept what goes on as there is no way to change it,imo.
Davey your comments above about Corjon are just about what one can expect from you, LOW. You seem to forget you owned one of the dogs at the centre of all this JRD scare. Of course typical of you , you removed your kennel name from said dog and passed him on to someone else!!!!
Mackenzie, your heart is in the right place, but no amount of judges training, or licensing will change what some judges do on the field. There will always be favour judging, how you change that is beyond me. At a recent show a PUPPY took the CC, now i do not care how good a puppy is this should never happen, do you think had that judge been licensed it would have changed the result? NO WAY. I am sorry to say we will just have to accept what goes on as there is no way to change it,imo.
by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 19:11
Unfortunately Bazza you are right when you say that favour judging will always go on. However, under a licencing system I think that it will not happen so often once judges realise that they have something to lose and be banned from taking an appointment.
I agree with you 100% that a puppy should never be awarded a C.C.. To give a C.C. to an underdeveloped animal is ridiculous and, if licensed, a judge should have their license taken away. Can you tell me the show and the Judge please?
Mackenzie
I agree with you 100% that a puppy should never be awarded a C.C.. To give a C.C. to an underdeveloped animal is ridiculous and, if licensed, a judge should have their license taken away. Can you tell me the show and the Judge please?
Mackenzie
by bazza on 28 November 2009 - 19:11
I do believe it was at our 2 day event, BEST PUPPY, BITCH CC and B.O.B Absolutely ridiculous but hey ho the judges opinion is final!!!
by Jago on 28 November 2009 - 20:11
Mackenzie - Results can be found www.jaquenetta.com/Show%20Results%202009.htm under the two day event. Favour judging is something that has been going on for a long while now and also why a lot of good breeders have come out of the show scene. Would the licencing system work? IMO I don't think so. Corruption seems to be the norm at many of our shows today unfortunately and I think it is here to stay. Good points you make though.
Carole - You say you are nearly 58 by going by your pathetic excuse for text speak I'd say more like nearly 8. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but 'YU' as you spell it is actually spelt 'YOU'. Shame I cannot block any posts from you on here so I cannot see them. Your posts hurt my eyes.
DP - Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind with you and your comment about John Robinson. Not all of us have forgotten that you had Rocky who like Bazza has pointed out, was the centre of the JRD scare.
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by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 21:11
Although a number of people think licensing judges will not work at least it is a positive step forward. Doing absolutely nothing is the beginning of the end. When judges have something to lose i.e. License, reputation, money etc , inevitably some change will come for the better. It may not be much at first but change will come. It is no good saying something will not work without trying it, that is defeatist.
Mackenzie
Mackenzie
by Videx on 28 November 2009 - 22:11
bazza, jago, FACTS wrong again. I never owned a dog at the centre of the JRD scare, the dog just happened to be the brother of the mother to CORJON MARK. and then of course the morons jumped in, especially JJ, trying to defend and detract from CORJON MARK in a most amaturish and pathetic manner.
It warms my heart, that bazza, jago and JJ are afraid of me, they show it very clearly EVERY TIME they negatively comment on me while remaining anonymous. I do not roll over or hide my comments behind anonymity, I am not a coward, be sure of that you bunch of cowardly wimps.
Mackenzie I will STOP making comments such as this when theseanonymous cowards stop initiating attacks on me and mine. You may need some time to fully understand what I have just written, when you do, please don't forget it.
It warms my heart, that bazza, jago and JJ are afraid of me, they show it very clearly EVERY TIME they negatively comment on me while remaining anonymous. I do not roll over or hide my comments behind anonymity, I am not a coward, be sure of that you bunch of cowardly wimps.
Mackenzie I will STOP making comments such as this when theseanonymous cowards stop initiating attacks on me and mine. You may need some time to fully understand what I have just written, when you do, please don't forget it.
by noddi on 28 November 2009 - 22:11
JAGO....YES I CAN SPELL CORRECTLY THANK YOU.YU IS A SHORTENED FORM OF YOU ,NORMALLY USED BY THE YOUNGER GENERATION ON THEIR COMPUTERS.SO WHO IS THE DUMMIE NOW.I WISH I COULD DELETE ALL YOU SHIT STIRRERS OFF THESE THREADS AS IMO. YOU ARE ONLY ON HERE TO SLAG MR.PAYNE OFF.I TAKE OFFENCE AT THIS SORT OF TREATMENT AND ITS NO WONDER YOU GET THE SAME TREATMENT IN RETURN.NOW THAT IM STICKING UP FOR MR.PAYNE YOU ARE TREATING ME ALSO WITH THE SAME CONTEMPT.I HAVE BEEN ONTO ANOTHER THREAD INSTIGATED BY HAMZA 166 RE HIS DRAWINGS AND ONCE AGAIN A DOG HAS BEEN SLAGGED OFF BY BAZZA.WHEN ARE YOU LOT GOING TO TAKE A HIKE AND ONLY COME ON THESE THREADS IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY AS OPPOSED TO HURTFUL,SLANDEROUS ALLEGATIONS.YOU KNOW WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.MAY I ASK A QUESTION............ARE YOU JEALOUS OF MR.DAVID PAYNE OR INFATUATED BY HIM.......YOU,RE THE ONE THAT SEEMS PARANOID,ALL YOU CAN THINK OF IS MR DAVID PAYNE.GET A LIFE.THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY
by bazza on 29 November 2009 - 00:11
Davey, for someone who does not care about us Anonymous morons, your words not mine, you sure as hell make a song and dance about us. Lets face reality it is not only the anonymous posters who really can't be doing with your crap, many many named users feel exactly the same. You treat them with the same degree of nastiness, as you do with anyone who does not agree with you.
Noddi, what can i say other than i did not slag off any dog on Hamza's drawing thread, and since i never remove any of my comments it is there for anyone to see. Absolutely no jealousy here my love, i mean who in there right mind would be jealous of the most disliked person in the UK gsd world, are you for real!!! You seem to be more infatuated by him than any one else, i think maybe you need to find someone more worthy of your admiration, after all you must have heard that old saying, FLY WITH THE CROWS, YOU GET SHOT WITH THE CROWS. I also think the youngsters of today just use the letter " u" for the word you, so you are not as young and hip as you thought.
Sorry MACKENZIE, i still maintain it would not work but i am with you on if you do not try you will never really know.
Noddi, what can i say other than i did not slag off any dog on Hamza's drawing thread, and since i never remove any of my comments it is there for anyone to see. Absolutely no jealousy here my love, i mean who in there right mind would be jealous of the most disliked person in the UK gsd world, are you for real!!! You seem to be more infatuated by him than any one else, i think maybe you need to find someone more worthy of your admiration, after all you must have heard that old saying, FLY WITH THE CROWS, YOU GET SHOT WITH THE CROWS. I also think the youngsters of today just use the letter " u" for the word you, so you are not as young and hip as you thought.
Sorry MACKENZIE, i still maintain it would not work but i am with you on if you do not try you will never really know.
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