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by CrashKerry on 06 November 2009 - 16:11
If it passed as written, you only need to be a member of an AWDF club to trial at the club level, and a USA member to trial at a regional or national. I also take it to mean that the former exclusion for foreign residents is now no longer in effect. So if you are a Canadian resident and only a member of the GSSCC, you can't trial at a USA club anymore.
by VomMarischal on 06 November 2009 - 19:11
Wow. Smells like a monopoly. Didn't Microsoft get knocked down a peg for doing this stuff?
by jletcher18 on 06 November 2009 - 23:11
Kim,,, could you please post the response to all of this from WDA.
thanks
john
thanks
john
by Kim Gash on 07 November 2009 - 00:11
Here is what I was told from officers at NASS who were discussing the new amendment by USA. Of course, as all of us, everyone is talking about it and there is a lot of talk of people quiting USA, complaining. Honestly, I don't think there will be as much fall out from this as I am hearing. I expect things to cool down and people will for the most part stay where they are. Personally, I do not understand the acrimony or the need for the membership exclusion.
That being said, the officers of WDA and the members have their annual meeting tonight. The following is what was told to me - will have to see if this all gets passed:
In response to the exlcusionary membership rule by USA, there are proposals before the membership tonight of the WDA in order to facilitate anyone new who may be interested in joining as a member, as a club or just participating and these are expected to pass:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial. It will still need the oversight of a regional director or officer to attend and sign off, but it will be a real trial, not mock so any trial planned currently could certainly be a new club event.
No WDA membership requirement for Koerungs.
WDA memberships will be offered as at a discount/on a discount plan to anyone coming from USA, just need proof of USA membership to get discount.
A fund will be established to financially help USA clubs transition to WDA as clubs. It is suggested that anyone who is not rejoining USA to contribute the money that they would have spent on that membership, to donate it to this fund to help clubs transition and defer their costs.
There are not and will not be any requirements for membership to compete except for the GSDCA membership when qualifying for the WUSV team. This is only to insure that those that compete are there to commit fully to the team should they qualify.
There may be more things discussed and passed, have to wait until morning to hear. Again, due to no WDA membership requirement, any member could still keep their USA membership and still participate in WDA events up to the National Qualifier - you just could not be a WDA member and retain your USA membership.
That being said, the officers of WDA and the members have their annual meeting tonight. The following is what was told to me - will have to see if this all gets passed:
In response to the exlcusionary membership rule by USA, there are proposals before the membership tonight of the WDA in order to facilitate anyone new who may be interested in joining as a member, as a club or just participating and these are expected to pass:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial. It will still need the oversight of a regional director or officer to attend and sign off, but it will be a real trial, not mock so any trial planned currently could certainly be a new club event.
No WDA membership requirement for Koerungs.
WDA memberships will be offered as at a discount/on a discount plan to anyone coming from USA, just need proof of USA membership to get discount.
A fund will be established to financially help USA clubs transition to WDA as clubs. It is suggested that anyone who is not rejoining USA to contribute the money that they would have spent on that membership, to donate it to this fund to help clubs transition and defer their costs.
There are not and will not be any requirements for membership to compete except for the GSDCA membership when qualifying for the WUSV team. This is only to insure that those that compete are there to commit fully to the team should they qualify.
There may be more things discussed and passed, have to wait until morning to hear. Again, due to no WDA membership requirement, any member could still keep their USA membership and still participate in WDA events up to the National Qualifier - you just could not be a WDA member and retain your USA membership.
by jletcher18 on 07 November 2009 - 00:11
thank you Kim.
john
john
by happyday on 07 November 2009 - 11:11
Kim:
I am the secretary of a USA club and I have been completing the necessary paperwork to join WDA. We do not wish to belong to a USA dictatorship. In your post, you said that WDA will give discounts to individuals and clubs that wish to join. Please give details on how this will take place. Also, if we have been a USA club for 30 plus years - do we still have to have a trial - I thought I read that if you were a established club that could be waived. So your comment:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial.
Is that saying you still have to have one - it wont be "mock" it will count. We had our trial in September for USA. And at this time don't plan on having another until 2010.
Happyday
I am the secretary of a USA club and I have been completing the necessary paperwork to join WDA. We do not wish to belong to a USA dictatorship. In your post, you said that WDA will give discounts to individuals and clubs that wish to join. Please give details on how this will take place. Also, if we have been a USA club for 30 plus years - do we still have to have a trial - I thought I read that if you were a established club that could be waived. So your comment:
No affiliation trial is required for a USA club that wants to join WDA, the trial will count as a trial.
Is that saying you still have to have one - it wont be "mock" it will count. We had our trial in September for USA. And at this time don't plan on having another until 2010.
Happyday
by hodie on 07 November 2009 - 16:11
From the WDA website:
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/formclub.htm
An applying club must meet the following requirements:
Develop formal club bylaws. If necessary, sample bylaws can be obtained from the GSDCA-WDA Office.
Have at least five members. All must be members of GSDCA-WDA or have applied for membership.
Have established training grounds and all necessary equipment – jumps, blinds, helper pants, sleeves, etc.
Elect a Training Director who can demonstrate some proficiency in dog training.
Obtain Club Liability Insurance in the minimum amounts of $250,000 property damage and $500,000 personal injury.
A newly forming club without prior full membership with an existing GSDCA Regional Club or schutzhund organization must also hold a practice trial. The practice trial may be judged by the regional director, or another individual approved by the GSDCA-WDA Board. Upon successful completion of the practice trial a recommendation for membership will be made.
Submit the Member Club Application and Club Officers & Member Roster forms and all supporting documentation to:
Then it continues with the name and address of where to send materials.
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/formclub.htm
An applying club must meet the following requirements:
Develop formal club bylaws. If necessary, sample bylaws can be obtained from the GSDCA-WDA Office.
Have at least five members. All must be members of GSDCA-WDA or have applied for membership.
Have established training grounds and all necessary equipment – jumps, blinds, helper pants, sleeves, etc.
Elect a Training Director who can demonstrate some proficiency in dog training.
Obtain Club Liability Insurance in the minimum amounts of $250,000 property damage and $500,000 personal injury.
A newly forming club without prior full membership with an existing GSDCA Regional Club or schutzhund organization must also hold a practice trial. The practice trial may be judged by the regional director, or another individual approved by the GSDCA-WDA Board. Upon successful completion of the practice trial a recommendation for membership will be made.
Submit the Member Club Application and Club Officers & Member Roster forms and all supporting documentation to:
Then it continues with the name and address of where to send materials.
by happyday on 07 November 2009 - 23:11
Thanks Hodie - but this doesn't apply to my club - my club has been around for 30 some odd years - and Kim acted like she was at some meeting or something - I want to know what WDA will do for our club. We have been around along time - and since we are being dicated to - we no longer wish to play with USA - Kim implied that WDA is going to help out those that wish to come and play - I have already read all that is on the website for WDA - but since Kim is a spokes person for WDA - I want to know more than what is on the website since the decision of USA.
Happday
Happday
by Rik on 08 November 2009 - 00:11
Hello happyday. If I understood correctly, WDA is voting on some these issues at the NASS meeting this weekend.
Probably the best thing is to contact WDA next week after they have time to return from NASS in Calif.
The WDA prez is in Amory, Ms. (not far from B'ham).
Rik
Probably the best thing is to contact WDA next week after they have time to return from NASS in Calif.
The WDA prez is in Amory, Ms. (not far from B'ham).
Rik
by Kim Gash on 08 November 2009 - 02:11
Sorry - been out training all afternoon- what I got from the president that passed is:
No membership for Nass or breed surveys
USA clubs that want to join wda no affiliation event
As there are no requirements to have a trial every year, its voluntary, I assume that you do not have to have a trial - whenever you have a trial, there is no requirement to have a mock trial prior to it.
The discounted memberships and fund to help, though told to me that it was being proposed, was not emailed to me as passed.
I have further asked if WDA will recognize helpers USA certifications, especially on the club level. No response to that so far.
WDA already honors USA or AWDF scores and scorebooks.
WDA is in the middle of their NASS. It is over tomorrow and people will be heading home. I know WDA will be accomodating to help if people want to make the switch. Just give them some time to get home and regroup. Too bad all this is happening. Maybe it will make these organizations more consumer friendly and start treating members as assets.
No membership for Nass or breed surveys
USA clubs that want to join wda no affiliation event
As there are no requirements to have a trial every year, its voluntary, I assume that you do not have to have a trial - whenever you have a trial, there is no requirement to have a mock trial prior to it.
The discounted memberships and fund to help, though told to me that it was being proposed, was not emailed to me as passed.
I have further asked if WDA will recognize helpers USA certifications, especially on the club level. No response to that so far.
WDA already honors USA or AWDF scores and scorebooks.
WDA is in the middle of their NASS. It is over tomorrow and people will be heading home. I know WDA will be accomodating to help if people want to make the switch. Just give them some time to get home and regroup. Too bad all this is happening. Maybe it will make these organizations more consumer friendly and start treating members as assets.
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