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Moons wrote
No gouda,
you are the idiot for trying to hijack a political thread with your religious beliefs. 

My reply   Yes Moons, Your end time political thread,is a part of  the religious belief.
    gouda

Moons, we wouldn't be in this situation if elected officials would have protected and defended the US Constitution. Lack of respect for the US Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land by elected officials legislative, executive and judicial is the reason America has fallen into despotism.

We CAN reinstate the US Constitution and we WILL. The Declaration of Independence dictates the government derives it's power from the consent of the governed.

America will NOT fail as a Republic.

Democracy we are NOT and Democracy is what you will see fail, Moons.

America's core Republic is WINNING and our enemies are scared, and rightfully so.

gouda,
you idiot, it's not my thread.

Moons.

BabyEagle,
where have you been, this is nothing new.

And you think anyone one man could change any of it, with or without the Constitution?

I don't see anyone winning, where is it you see winning?

Revolution takes people, not politicians.
It is a violent, destructive act, you must tear something down before you can rebuild it.
It requires bloodshed, I've never seen a revolution that didn't.

Just take a look at the occupy movement and you will see the people haven't got a clue how to accomplish anything.
Frankly they embarrass me as an American.

I'm glad you are passionate about this cause, but I think your at a loss for the answers.


I could take Ron Paul a bit more seriously if he was spending his own money and not running for office or doing deals with the parties using his supporters as collateral.

Let him try to lead a true revolution and see how long he lasts.


Moons.

I will never understand anarchists, never. It's like talking with a harbinger in a dystopian atmosphere.

Moons, the Occupy movement has nothing to do with the Ron Paul Revolution, there is NO political or social tie. Sure we show up to get video and ask questions with their "leaders" so we know if they are advancing their learning, but that's about it. They are simple people who woke up too fast, are confused with angers yet want to address the government. The acidemic level comparison of the RPR3volution and Occupy is gargantuan. They DO NOT know the US Constitution or DOI and since Soro's began funding them now they are against the US Constitution and DOI and want more government and unconstitutional policy. That's why Occupy is a fail. They also bigtime disrespect the police and disrespect the military to the point of calling em' the enemy.

In the RPR3volution unconstitutional policies are are enemy. The Ron Paul R3volution began with police and military back in 1988, 70% of our donations in 2008 and almost 83% this campaign are from active duty military.

Seriously, go to any Ron Paul website for discussion and 60% of all comments are from active duty and police, if you wanna believe it or not.

But whateva you say, Moons. How about that "I'll Have Another" ? LOL

BabyEagle,
There is no political solution and there is no real choice.
The problems we face go beyond our policies and our borders, we can't even keep our own house in order, how are we to deal with the real problems we share with the rest of the planet.

I promise you our governments answer will be by force on all fronts foreign and domestic.

They will take from the people, they will print more bills and borrow from or enemies until there is nothing left for the people.
Then the elite will have total power.
As long as there is money to be made you will not end corruption.

The connection between RPR3 and Occupy is the people, the same people who have kept politicians in office for thirty and forty years running.
They are not all exactly the same but they overlap each other enough to say they are in many ways.
The same people who have let it go to the point we're at now.

As for the military and law enforcement, we will see what side they're on when the shit hits the fan.
I already consider them the enemy and potentially very dangerous in what's to come.
I know what they are capable of and it all boils down to who is giving the orders and who obeys without question.

I would say in a perfect world we could possibly make some improvements but it would take years, decades, we simply don't have that much time.

Anarchy is the wrong word to use for what I believe to be the meaning of revolution, simply open your history book and go back to the Revolutionary War and the Civil War to get a brief look at what revolution really means.
It's bloody, destructive, and expensive.
The real truth is that when these wars were finally over the same wealthy powerful people were still wealthy and powerful and in control.
We made them career politicians and gave them the keys to our future and never looked back.

Finally,
I have looked at Ron Paul since he first came on the scene and though he has a few good points he does not have what it takes to lead the people in my opinion and is nothing more than just another career politician looking for his piece of our pie.

Moons.

No joke. Here is what our society has come to.  Here is one for you Moons.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/20209/aclu_dea_tracks_americans_movements_plans_to_data_mine_license_plate_records?source=rss_cwbloggers

Do you ever feel like you are being watched when you drive? The ACLU believes that feeling of being watched is justified and not only while you're driving. It started with the DEA wanting to expand technology that captures and then stores vehicle license plate data for two years. Although the ACLU had warned that automated license plate readers (ALPRs) are helping to create a "surveillance society" in the USA by tracking our movements, it now seems there may be plans to data mine all those stored plates.

The DEA reportedly wants to use this tech "for ‘intelligence' and to ‘research the movements' of suspects, and for ‘statistical information' which points "toward efforts to data mine license data." In a chilling example of what may come to pass due to data mining license plate records, the ACLU wrote:

The police develop virtual reality glasses that, when the wearer looks at a vehicle, summarize in clear, at-a-glance graphical form various information: the owner's police record, how many points the owner has on his or her license, how far from home the vehicle is, the owner's TSA Pre-Check score, and other data. This creates a negative feedback cycle for some unfortunates, because those whose profile attracts attention are stopped by the police with disproportionate frequency, including for minor infractions-leading to an even worse profile.

License plate scanners are "logging your every move," according to the ACLU, as was previously noted in "surrounded by surveillance: is everything spying on you?" The "technology is rapidly approaching the point where it could be used to reconstruct the entire movements of any individual vehicle." The latest ALPR threat started with the DEA wanting to capture all license plates of vehicles traveling Interstate 15 in Utah. Oddly enough, Utah is considered part of "the border" even though no part of Utah touches the border of Mexico. The government defines "the border" as 100 miles inward from the true border. The ACLU points out that no part of Utah is even within a 100 miles of the real border, but:

As usual, the authorities also tried to package their proposal with all kinds of soothing promises: the data would not be used except to catch drug traffickers and to investigate "serious crimes." The data would not be cross-referenced with other databases containing driver's names (and therefore presumably to the vast realms of other information that that would be available). The data would not be used to locate people with outstanding traffic tickets and misdemeanor warrants.

This is what you call sugaring a pill so that people will swallow it. Anyone who thinks all of the above will never happen doesn't know much about history. We've seen this dynamic many times-a new surveillance technique is unveiled supposedly for use only against the most extreme criminals and is quickly expanded to much broader use.

As the costs of ALPR and other such technologies decrease, and if "no restrictions are placed upon police use of it," the ACLU expects many other chilling scenarios may happen. This includes the cops monitoring movements and then pulling drivers over on a "pretext" like "driving erratically" to search the car and then open a file on the driver. The creepy scenarios the ACLU provided don't stop there.

The FBI begins investigating a man because he visited a series of places-a mosque, a hardware store, and a money-transfer service-that the government's computers have flagged as "suspicious."

The FBI opens a probe into the background of a woman because her car was parked at an apartment building-and then coincidentally again later at a store-at the same time as a man who is on a terrorist watch list.

Maybe a DEA risk analysis system could alert cops that a specific car is driving a specific route every month. Then federal agents might knock on the door of the allegedly "suspicious" driver's home for interrogation purposes. Toss in a bit more circumstantial evidence and the feds may get a warrant, may send SWAT to raid the house, to shoot the family dog dead and to traumatize a child. Oh wait, that really did happen and the violent raid went viral. As did the time the cops went to the wrong house and shot an innocent man's dog.

This sort of automatic scanning and building license plate databases for data mining, the ACLU predicts, will make Americans feel like "they are being watched wherever they drive and must constantly ask themselves, ‘Am I doing anything suspicious?' When they watch movies of the old days when people could drive around anonymously, they feel nostalgic for that lost freedom."

"We have enjoyed so much freedom for so long that we are perhaps in danger of forgetting how much blood it cost to establish the Bill of Rights," said Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter; he also helped found the ACLU in 1920. He would probably roll over in his grave if he saw the way technology is being used to help freedom slip away, little by little, in America.

*The connection between RPR3 and Occupy is the people, the same people who have kept politicians in office for thirty and forty years running.*

-- How can you even say that ? Speaking about RP R3volution here ... I'm 38 and when I go to most of these caucas's, conventions, rallies, events I'm one of the oldest there. I was the one of the oldest at CPAC these past 7 years with exception of a few supporters, press passes, Ron Paul himself, his body guards, RP military/police supporters and other security members.

Let me understand you, you are putting all the blame on the young people now actively protesting the government, sign waving, end the fed rallies, marching for veterans, taking over the (GOP< lol) the past 100 years of unconstitutional policy, corruptions and legalized thefts ?

How can people fresh outta high school and/or freshmen/Jr.s in college or even under 30-40 be responsible ? Explain this to me, please.

What is it YOU think people should be doing NOW to straighten out this mess America is in ? Sit around and wait till they round us up for executions ? wait till they better organize and go house to house stealing guns, gold and silver or killing everyone who has Old Besty or the Declaration of Independence laying around ? how about just go along to get along mentality eh ? ..

Ya know, Hitler was elected by 98% of the people in his country. Look at all the Executive Orders and Acts, Bills or Policies that have passed the house, senate and signed into law in just the past 60 years ... if America elects a President that wants to be a friggin Hitler type everything that Hitler type will need to get shit done is already signed into Law (unconstitutional law of course) we must abolish/VOID those laws NOW or ... WE ARE TOAST !!! In my opinion, anyone, ANYONE who is willing to get out into the streets and protest this mess we are in ... deserves some kinda of credit, because they obviously realize something isn't right.

Gezzz Hitler himself adopted his Eugenics Law in 1924 from an American and the Rockefellers funded Hitler to do what he did !! WTF !!!

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

BabyEagle,
If you want to know what a protest looks like you need to go back to the sixties, go back to Chicago, or Kent State.
Go back to Birmingham, L.A., and DC during the sixties and early seventies.
It was bloody and violent, and people died, cities burned.

People are not just playing get along, go along, they are in fact waiting for the first shoe to fall.
You can't do it alone, and you can't plan it, it must be spontaneous.
Older wiser people know this already.

So,
the Ron Paul movement is 18 to 38 year olds, that is sad, and not entirely correct.
Maybe that's who you see at the rallies but that's not where the money is coming from.
And why this fixation on the Presidency, there are two houses in dire need of a total clean up.
You must understand where the power actually lives, it's habitat, and how it feeds, reproduces, and reigns over it's territory.

Maybe it's the first ever vote for some of these kids, but not for others, you've voted more than once I'm sure.
This has nothing to do with Hitler at all, except that he knew his people well and used that knowledge against them.
In that respect yes, they know us well, and have known for generations.
You see they study history and learn from the past, that's how they got so slick at it in the first place.
Plus the kind of things GSD hit upon is only the tip of the iceberg, in reality it's much worst than most people can imagine, and it's privately funded by the way.

Maybe your not aware of what we face as a people globally, it's way beyond which President we end up with, it involves the whole human race and the very life of planet Earth.
Believe me, there is no political solution at hand.

I congratulate all who make an effort including you, but your efforts are misguided and could be put to better use, same with the occupy movement, they simply have no plan that creates real change.

Time and money would be put to better use by creating a lobby for the people, if you can't elect the people you want to office, learn how to control the ones your stuck with, learn how the game is played, still it won't be enough.

You think I'm a defeatist, well I'm not, I'm just waiting for that shoe to drop, and then we will have our day.
They know this as well and are prepared, waiting right along side us in plain sight.

Moons.

 Moons,Moons,Moons, stop being a comeplete idiot.

  Rev.13:16-17

  This loyalty mark, will become the key to Survival in the beast last day system.You can neither buy nor sell unless you have the mark.To survive humanly speaking,ONE MUST at least profess loyalty outwardly to this last day system.  When cash money disappers it becomes increasingly easier to comorehend how those without the Bests mark can be deprived in one stoke of all their buying and selling power.  Now do tell me BIG MAN {moons} Will you take the stamp?
The acceptance of the beast and his system sa saviour of this world and taing the mark signify this end time blasphemy against the spirit of truth,THE HOLY GHOST,and the seal makes certain the eternal doom of the lost who take tis mark.   AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST AND HIS SYSTEM.


UNKNOWING LY TO YOU MOONS, THIS IS STRICKLY A RELIGIOUS POST. 
  Have a nice day my friend.

     gouda