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by Hundmutter on 09 May 2012 - 09:05
Do you want to hear a comic story ?
"Double coated dogs that are shaved never grow their hair back like it was before ... (due to) 'follicle shock' ."
"Anybody have an example of what may happen with the coat ?"
The first of these two statements I always believed to be true, as evidenced by the example
provided above.
However - we took on a rescue dog a couple of years back; it was one of those rather unusual rescue situations where everybody knew somebody else who'd been involved, through a chain, and our Groomer heard from both a mutual friend and neighbour, and (I think) directly from the first owner's husband, at some point, that this dog had:
been LONG(er) COATED as a puppy;
but that he had had to be shaved (reason never made clear)
and that when it grew back
he wasn't a long-coat anymore.
As far as I can tell - and I have examined a few GSD coats in my time - this dog has a perfectly normal adult double GSD coat (if slightly silkier rather than as harsh as it ought to be) of standard length.
So ... anyone ever heard of a long coat turning into a standard coat ?
(I assumed that all that really happened was that he had a slightly more 'furnished' puppy coat, that once he'd grown up and moulted, the extra 'length'/fluff disappeared ... but these people were really quite insistent that he'd been 'much'
longer haired all-over.) ???
"Double coated dogs that are shaved never grow their hair back like it was before ... (due to) 'follicle shock' ."
"Anybody have an example of what may happen with the coat ?"
The first of these two statements I always believed to be true, as evidenced by the example
provided above.
However - we took on a rescue dog a couple of years back; it was one of those rather unusual rescue situations where everybody knew somebody else who'd been involved, through a chain, and our Groomer heard from both a mutual friend and neighbour, and (I think) directly from the first owner's husband, at some point, that this dog had:
been LONG(er) COATED as a puppy;
but that he had had to be shaved (reason never made clear)
and that when it grew back
he wasn't a long-coat anymore.
As far as I can tell - and I have examined a few GSD coats in my time - this dog has a perfectly normal adult double GSD coat (if slightly silkier rather than as harsh as it ought to be) of standard length.
So ... anyone ever heard of a long coat turning into a standard coat ?
(I assumed that all that really happened was that he had a slightly more 'furnished' puppy coat, that once he'd grown up and moulted, the extra 'length'/fluff disappeared ... but these people were really quite insistent that he'd been 'much'
longer haired all-over.) ???
by JakodaCD OA on 09 May 2012 - 12:05
I have never shaved down my shepherds...My 12 yr old aussie, I've been thinning and shaving her the past couple years in the summer, not down to bare skin, I leave an inch or two,,those darn 'show' aussies are soooooo hairy, and I know she's 'hot', especially her 'pants',,I just thinned her out the other day, and it took me forever toeven 'get' to her skin! Normally I don't like doing it, but poor girl has to much hair and she heats up quick..but my gsd's never never:)
Diane
Diane
by Sunsilver on 09 May 2012 - 14:05
Remember someone posted awhile ago about their champion Persian cat? It was a nightmare to look after. It was so inbred, it couldn't even eat properly, and if not brushed DAILY, it would develop horrendous mats.
I think the same thing has happened to some of our dogs due to breeding for exaggerated characteristics, such as overly pouffy show coats. What was once a normal coat, not requiring any maintenance beyond an occasional brushing, now may be so heavy that the dog suffers in the summer unless the coat is shaved or thinned.
One of the best examples of this is the rough collie. Here's what it looked like at the turn of the century:
Then, there's the current show collie:
I just had a local farmer book her two goldens in for shaving. She's a regular customer, and Ill see if I can remember to take photos of their coats.
I think the same thing has happened to some of our dogs due to breeding for exaggerated characteristics, such as overly pouffy show coats. What was once a normal coat, not requiring any maintenance beyond an occasional brushing, now may be so heavy that the dog suffers in the summer unless the coat is shaved or thinned.
One of the best examples of this is the rough collie. Here's what it looked like at the turn of the century:
Then, there's the current show collie:
I just had a local farmer book her two goldens in for shaving. She's a regular customer, and Ill see if I can remember to take photos of their coats.
by Hundmutter on 09 May 2012 - 14:05
Yeah, there's another row going on in England at the moment about OES coats. Never fails to amaze me how people buy coated breed pups then can't cope with them in adulthood, get them regularly shaved off, then say (as they look at the poor shorn mutt) "Of course, we got him because they look so attractive with all that coat". lol.
by brynjulf on 09 May 2012 - 15:05
I've not had a problem with goldens getting shaved off ( knocks on wood) we have lots that come in for summer shave offs. The dogs that get the worst regrowth are shelties, poms, and the long coated GSD.
by Sunsilver on 09 May 2012 - 17:05
bryn, when I first took over the kennel, there was a pic posted on the bulletin board of the previous owner doing a shave on a golden. The coat was SO matted it was coming off all in one piece, like the fleece of a sheep!
If you're going to neglect your golden's coat like that, it's much better for the dog to have it shaved down for the summer!
If you're going to neglect your golden's coat like that, it's much better for the dog to have it shaved down for the summer!
by laura271 on 09 May 2012 - 17:05
Huge patches of Senta's hair fell out last summer after she ate "spoiled" kibble. In the picture below, you can see the bare patch at the base of her tail and that her black saddle is turning light brown at the top of her spine. (I really hate this picture- she was so sick we were afraid we were going to lose her.)
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We were hoping that her coat would recover after this winter's molt but unfortunately, it hasn't. The hair is still very thin at the base of her tail and the wide brown stripe on her spine widened. I've seen several of her siblings and none of them have such an odd brown stripe on their spines.
We were hoping that her coat would recover after this winter's molt but unfortunately, it hasn't. The hair is still very thin at the base of her tail and the wide brown stripe on her spine widened. I've seen several of her siblings and none of them have such an odd brown stripe on their spines.
by GSDPACK on 09 May 2012 - 17:05
People make me wanna vomit!
by beetree on 09 May 2012 - 22:05
Wow, Laura, that does look odd, maybe just give it a bit more time for the longer, darker (?) hairs to make themselves known? See, if I remember my biology correctly, hair falls out because of a genetic determination of weight. So, say the black hairs are finer, they may take longer to grow. I'm just making up a theory. But you get the idea. 
by dragonfry on 10 May 2012 - 22:05
Some coated breeds suffer from "Post Clipping Alopecia" Cause by removing the whole coat before it would normally shed.
I've groomed for 10 years and being in florida i've shaved everything from collies to shepherds to beagles and pugs. If the clipping is done correctly the coat will not be damaged. But the sudden loss of coat will change the regrowth pattern. Regular brushing will stimulate the coat to regrow.
I had a husky that the owners insisted be shaved. I warned then he might have post clipping alopecia. They didn't care and i did a total shave down with a #7 because nothing else would go through his coat. 3 months later they come back all freaked out because only the undecoat is growing back. Warned them this could happen. So i set up a few bath and brush out sessions and soon he guard hairs started to regrow. They still get him shaved.
I've shaved a few poms that had bad coats they never grew every well before shaving. They had sparse guard hairs and loose wolly under coats. These types of Poms never look good shaved.
Other poms had super dense coats and could be shave down with no issues.
Really if your dog is choaking the vaccume get your groomer to do a good bath, conditioning and power blow out. They will remove the loose dead hair without damaging the coat at all and you can leave all that unwanted hair at the groomers. (On the ceiling, on the walls, in their lungs)
As for the spot that grew back black, that may be from clipper burn and the skin is reacting is if the skin is injured and the coat will become black. Same as if the dog was burned with something.
Grey dogs like poodles or red poodles for that matter if they suffer any sort of skin injury will grow that spot back much darker then the origional coat.
Grooming is your choice, and i've been paid to groom some pretty weird stuff in rather odd ways.
Fry
I've groomed for 10 years and being in florida i've shaved everything from collies to shepherds to beagles and pugs. If the clipping is done correctly the coat will not be damaged. But the sudden loss of coat will change the regrowth pattern. Regular brushing will stimulate the coat to regrow.
I had a husky that the owners insisted be shaved. I warned then he might have post clipping alopecia. They didn't care and i did a total shave down with a #7 because nothing else would go through his coat. 3 months later they come back all freaked out because only the undecoat is growing back. Warned them this could happen. So i set up a few bath and brush out sessions and soon he guard hairs started to regrow. They still get him shaved.
I've shaved a few poms that had bad coats they never grew every well before shaving. They had sparse guard hairs and loose wolly under coats. These types of Poms never look good shaved.
Other poms had super dense coats and could be shave down with no issues.
Really if your dog is choaking the vaccume get your groomer to do a good bath, conditioning and power blow out. They will remove the loose dead hair without damaging the coat at all and you can leave all that unwanted hair at the groomers. (On the ceiling, on the walls, in their lungs)
As for the spot that grew back black, that may be from clipper burn and the skin is reacting is if the skin is injured and the coat will become black. Same as if the dog was burned with something.
Grey dogs like poodles or red poodles for that matter if they suffer any sort of skin injury will grow that spot back much darker then the origional coat.
Grooming is your choice, and i've been paid to groom some pretty weird stuff in rather odd ways.
Fry
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