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by DDRCzechFan on 27 February 2012 - 20:02
I'm not entirely selfless about it though, because I've bought pups who've had genetic disorders, and if there's something I can personally do to not do that to someone else, I'll do it. Only by testing our stock will we find either a cure or at least more information about DM, and by being smart breeders, we can help prevent others from going through the suffering of their beloved pet dying of DM.
by Abby Normal on 28 February 2012 - 23:02
No I wouldn't think it would include DM testing. I would think it was DNA profiling that was done for the frozen semen.
You would need to do a separate DM test.
Czechfan
Only by testing our stock will we find either a cure or at least more information about DM, and by being smart breeders, we can help prevent others from going through the suffering of their beloved pet dying of DM.
Exactly, and there is nothing selfish about that, quite the contrary.
by Blitzen on 28 February 2012 - 23:02
http://www.offa.org/chicdnabank.html
by V L A on 11 March 2012 - 20:03
Do I still need to do the DM test?
Actually too late now, as I already ordered and paid for the test kits!
But, in the future, what is better to do DNA or DM?
I am guessing both!
When purchasing my SchH 3 Malinois:
The middle man had the seller, do x-rays of the Hips, Elbows, and the spine.
I had my vet view them.
My Vet thought it was a great idea to have her clients in the future, when doing a pre-purchase on K9 dogs, also ask for the spine X-rays from now on!
by Abby Normal on 11 March 2012 - 23:03
Re the spinal X rays. This is something that they are doing more and more with the GSD in Germany now. I guess if you have the dog anaesthetised on the table - why not? I am surmising that in Germany they have discovered or are encountering more spinal problems which is why the testing is becoming more prevalent.
by V L A on 12 March 2012 - 00:03
So both tests it is!
Re spinal X rays, Also good to know the are doing this in Germany now, not a bad idea!
Have A great night!
VLA
by Blackjack79 on 12 March 2012 - 23:03
by oregontnt2007 on 13 March 2012 - 00:03
other breeds have it as well...
My Belgian Mali was a DM Carrier.... we tested with DDC Labs & my vet had done the test
because we had a free first time happy go lucky first customer visit.
So I had taken my baby girl in & had him to the test. ( I wanted him to work for this free visit,
plus when you have a vet do this you can sneak a education in on them! )
What I had to do to prep for the test was to crate her for 4 hours, no toys no food and no water.
You dont want them playing with toys or shared water bowls because that introduce's other dogs
DNA cell's. No food because I was told you want a good build up of her / his cell's easy for the DNA
test. This was so hard for me, because she want to come out & play SO BAD! Then I had to put
Charlie, my other Mal, in a crate to make the baby happy! OMG Plus I had to put a towel over
the crate door to force a nap on her, lol it worked for about 45 mins.
I placed a muzzle on her then put her in the crate in our van & off we went to the vet's.
I muzzle her so she wont rip apart her new bed in the crate, plus there again it keeps any shared
cell's far our of range.
When we were getting out of the van the muzzle came off & into the vet's she went. He also
a Uric test on her in which she passed with flying colors! The vet & the office loved her!
She was such a sweet baby girl. As long as she can go up to new people she was ok,
if not then she would bark her fool head off.
The vet even checked her eyes with great eye pressure. WOO HOO, we found a few problems
but over all everything went ok.
The reason why I like DDC over OFA, is DDC claimed with my GSD was A/A with her DM test
and OFA's DM test was listed as a carrier N/C. I have BOTH test results to this day.
I then called Dr Keller? at OFA & he told me they have been tests then they did back then.
I still find that a bit on the wild side. BUT I tested with DDC first, saw the bad results and then
never opened the OFA results until um about a month ago? on or about?
I have the vet report when I had to put my GSD to this day & it claims she had DM becuase they
saw her dragging both her back feet & her back toe's was missing hair from that. Plus she
would hook her back legs from time to time.
Then I also had a PT for her & we did a bunch of swimming in a heated pool to help her which
went crazy insane for! In this report she also had allergies & of all the days she had done this
we woke up on Christmas Day to see that she was self mutalatin herself! There was blood
every where. I took her to the vet & even in the report, we opt to put her down, she was at the
end of treatment with allergies shot and anything and everything we could do to save her.
From the time we bought her, to the time we put her down... 6 grand to try to save her.
Two weeks after she was put down, that is when my husband was sent to Iraq.
I would have to say that was the hardest time in my life. I searched 24-7 for a new pup with
no luck, just looking for the right time & with that warm & fuzzy feeling of this is a good sale.
No such luck. I almost had a connetion with my Oda Kate, but things did not go as planned with
the pup so we sold her to a military family that was looking for a mali pup.
I since then found a GSD pup that the sire is DM free, titled and OFA hips/elbow rating in place.
The best thing ever in my life, these breeders are great, educational & supportive! I am now
very happy. We are still in the market for a second dog, after Jack gets home from his next
deployment ( leaving in Nov ) This time we will be getting a finish dog in Germany.
Jack has family there, he is 1/2 German & I am 1/4. I will be able to take Charlie with us since
she is my serivce dog, but Angel wont be able to go...ew two weeks without her! :(
So long story short, do yourself & evrybody a service to the K 9 world plz test your stock so
it wont hurt the pups in the long run. It is not fair to them, nor their new owners.
If you look to see what all else goes on talk to some of the Ladies here that have DM dogs.
It is very emotional to watch their fur baby slowly go down hill. It also places a "sour" taste
in one's mouth with such a bad experience one you have a dog get this.
Please remember that carrier only have a 50-50 chance of not getting it, but they do pass this
in every litter. Sire or Dam.
I am sorry for ths soap box thing, but once it enter's your life, your world and affect your pup,
to us it was like PTSD all over again. It is a huge roller coaster for you, your dog & your pocket
book, and in this economy can everybody that you see a pup to.... can they afford the
proper care for this affected pup? Europe dosn't test for this, only the US does.
So it is up for us to be professionals, pull off those "rose" colored glasses & test our dogs.
I know this is long but I am sorry.....
forgive me :)
by brynjulf on 13 March 2012 - 01:03
Dr. Clemmons wrote in a letter back in February that he did not feel German Shepherd DM screening should, at this time, be done as a breeding test.
He stated that the predictive value of a positive test is only about 11%. That is a very very small percentage. Carriers do not get DM, they do however have a chance of producing it. Just thought I would clarify that.
by desertstorm3115 on 13 March 2012 - 02:03
@Brynjulf, we tested with 2 different well known companies'
1) DDC claimed affected/affected
2) OFA claimed normal/carrier
3) We have a Vet (and a the report) that knew Tess, she had clinical DM symptom's plus the test results for positive DM.
This is what I found on Dr Clemmon's:
New information is that we may have a genetic test for the disease. We can run the test for people, knowing that it may be negative in a number of suspect cases, since up to 75% of those with clinical signs actually do not have GSDM. Your veterinarian can help you with this by collecting the blood and arranging to send it to us. We will provide the results within 2 weeks. We still feel it should not be the sole diagnostic run for the disease, but it may go a long way toward confirming the presence of GSDM. You can download a form and more information at http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/DM_Flash_test_web/ and follow the instruction.
"Thank you for taking the time to email us about our program on German Shepherd Dog Myelopathy (GSDM). We have studied this disease over the last 30 years and continue to do so. Our current program is unique and designed to improve the diagnosis of GSDM and offer a sensible treatment for GSDM based upon what we know of the underlying cause of the disease. Unfortunately, we cannot answer specific questions about patients that we have not seen. The Internet is not sufficient to establish a valid client-patient-veterinarian relationship. We have offered our web pages"
when I clicked on the link, it came up:
The webpage cannot be found
and "bad request" & "invalid host name"
Thank you for your "info/opinion" on Dr Clemmon's 30 year survey. :)
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