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EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 21 January 2012 - 08:01

For the OP, I agree with the other posters here that these pups are not likely to be purebred, so much mis-mark variations in one litter is nearly impossible in a true purebred litter. (black and tan pups and a pup with a white mark on it's head?!)  I also agree with the other posters that this dam had pups too young and 5-6 weeks is too young to let them go to new homes, even if their dam has weaned them they are still in a fragile age where they need their littermates for proper canine socialization and they need a stronger immune system before undergoing the stress of a new home.  (that includes needing at least 2, if not the full set of puppy shots)
As for the crusty stuff on them, they should see a vet. 

That being said, I would like to point out that there are purebred black and tan labradors.  It's a mismark patterned fully recognized by the AKC and parent club, it is also a disqualifying fault. 
Other mismarks known in purebred labradors are brindle, white spots, bolo marks, splashing and mosaics. 

Silvers probably are the result of crossing to weimaraners, it's what I'm inclined to believe.  But there are some who make very convincing arguments about how it's a possible true labrador color. 

As for whites and fox reds these are considered acceptable terminology among reputable labrador breeders to describe the shade of yellow.  Since there are many genes involved in determining the shades then it's only reasonable that they have names.  Some good breeders do resist the "white" name but I have never heard of a reputable, active breeder of labradors who disparaged the "fox red" name (I'm sure someone does, but I just haven't heard of them.)  The fox red shade is actually likely the origional yellow color. 

I used to work for one of the very best well known Labrador breeders in the world, her bloodline goes back at least 50 years, so by far she has been one of the most influential breeders of Labradors.  She has developed one of the best "fox red" lines in the US. 
As for the mosaic, I knew one once, an AKC champion yellow with a quarter size black spot on her hip.  Her parents, siblings and offspring were clean of any such marks.

by Von Ward Kennels on 22 January 2012 - 04:01

Ok I did not look to see what this person was producing but something LIKE cradle cap in human babies IS fairly common in puppies. This person is breeding poorly and is probably adding to the shelters but the op is also asking for help for the pups. This cradle cap (if it is what I think it is), will go away by 8 weeks. It is no big deal and does not need treatment. With this being said, please listen and learn how to breed to better your breed. That shows that you truly care. Stephanie

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 22 January 2012 - 18:01

Euro- most of the so-called silvers I've seen very plainly have weimeraner in them. It's apparent by the coat, head type, and eye and ear set. I have only ever seen one "silver lab" that actually looked like a labrador but grey in color.

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 23 January 2012 - 00:01

I agree with you Isengard, 95% of me believes that "silver" labs are just weim/lab mixes, but 5% of me acknowledges that it may be a possible true lab color that cropped up, and most certainly perpetuated with weim crosses to make more of them. 

I mostly had just wanted to point out that the black/tan pattern is a known color/pattern in purebred labradors. 

northwoodsGSD

by northwoodsGSD on 23 January 2012 - 23:01

oops 

northwoodsGSD

by northwoodsGSD on 24 January 2012 - 00:01

EuroSheperd,
Granted it's been quite a few years since I've been "in the know" as it pertains to Labs. However I'm going to assume the breed standars hasn't changed since we bred our field Labs(never got into bench Labs).
 I realize that AKC acknowledges certain colors/marking & states they are a disqualification. I have never on over 30 yrs seen a purebred Lab with any type of brindle markings. I also haven't seen any Labs w/ the type of brown markings as seen in the OP's ad photos. I have known a few black Labs whose coats would get a brownish tinge to them in the summer. I have also seen some w/ a small spot of white on their chest. Of course just because I haven't seen certain markings does not mean that don't exist, lol
AKC doesn't state anything regarding bolo marks, splashing, or mosaics...not sure where they stand on those?

Copied from the AKC Breed standard for Labs....
Color
The Labrador Retriever coat colors are black, yellow and chocolate. Any other color or a combination of colors is a disqualification. A small white spot on the chest is permissible, but not desirable. White hairs from aging or scarring are not to be misinterpreted as brindling. Black--Blacks are all black. A black with brindle markings or a black with tan markings is a disqualification. Yellow--Yellows may range in color from fox-red to light cream, with variations in shading on the ears, back, and underparts of the dog. Chocolate--Chocolates can vary in shade from light to dark chocolate. Chocolate with brindle or tan markings is a disqualification.


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 25 January 2012 - 17:01


     It's the same thing as the Blue Shepherd, Blue Doberman, Blue Yorkie, etc.,etc.,
Shit, Black Bears come in the color BLUE, only thing with bears is the Blues are protected, not denied or culled out


The Truth Behind "Silver" Labradors

A dog's genetic makeup is very complex (like us) and many genes are involved in coat color. The same genes are all present in every dog however only certain ones get "turned on" like a switch and others are off depending on what breed or what goes into a puppy in the case of a mixed breed. A Labrador's coat color is dependent on many genes being turned on and off. The ones we commonly think of that dictate color in our breed are the B and E genes. Other genes like T for ticking is always turned off and still other genes like the A gene causes a dog's coat to be a solid color. We know that If a lab has BB or Bb then black is dominant and if it has bb then the dog is chocolate. However the E gene acts as a epistatic gene or "masking" gene; in other words if the dog has Ee or EE then the color is dependent on what is present at the B gene (BB, Bb, or bb) but if the dog has ee then it will always be yellow no matter what is present at the B gene. A yellow that has a dominant B gene (BB or Bb) will have typical black pigment on the nose, lips, and eyerims and a yellow that is homozygous recessive at the B gene (bb) will be a Dudley.

Now the silver coloration comes into play when the D gene is turned on. If the D gene is in it’s homozygous recessive form (dd) then it will "dilute" the coloration if the B gene. When chocolate is dilute the color is a silvery mousey brown and the dilute version of a black (Bb or BB) yields a dog that is dark slate gray or "blue". Weimeraners are a breed that is based on dilution. The typical Weim coat is a mousey gray and it’s because their D and B genes are both present in the homozygous recessive forms (dd and bb) so the typical Weim is a chocolate that is diluted. Weimeraners also can carry the B gene in the dominant form so therefore a darker blue Weim can pop up in litters when they are dd and BB. A breed like the Doberman also has this dilute gene pattern in it’s population and therefore "blue" Dobies arise from a dilute black Doberman and fawn is the dilution of a red Dobe. Other breeds like Great Danes, Chow Chows, and German Shepherds and even Newfoundlands can be diluted. Some breeds accept the color and others do not and if the dilution factor is present in a breed it is found the world over and is known to be in the population. The breeders of silver Labs originally thought that the color was a mutation. Mutations typically do not reproduce and if they do they do not follow a pattern. Silver Lab expression follows the exact same pattern as any other dilution in other breeds. Also as more silver breeders appear the darker blue color has arose because they introduced black into their breedings unlike the first silver breeders who assumed that only chocolate would produce silver....

 


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 25 January 2012 - 17:01



    Looks Lab to me!!!



macrowe1

by macrowe1 on 25 January 2012 - 17:01

technically silver labs are registered by the AKC as chocolate. even though they're not chocolate. But these dogs aren't silver or charcoal labs. they look like Rottweiler mixes.





 


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