Free protection and obedience training - Page 2

Steve1, I was ripped off by a so called trainer in my area a few years back so  would be wary of anyone at this point. I trusted this so called trainer, letting him use one of my dogs for stud (which I never got paid for) and even loaned him money so his car wouldn't be repo'd. What a fool I was. I'd rather not give out the guy's name, but he was associated with Challenger Farms, the breeder of my dog Trigger. While I still have Trigger and love him dearly, I would avoid Challenger Farms like the plague, too.

Triodegirl
What has this Guy to do with any of that and seeing as you were the one to put the thread on this forum what then was the point of doing so in the first place.
Some of you Posting on this thread must worry about your own shadows I did here some or many in the USA have therapists if that is true i can see why you need them the way some are reacting to a simple request for training dogs.
I am out of this Crap talk before i start to think the way some of you do and begin to look over my shoulder.
Steve1

   THANK YOU   HEXE!
   YOU POSTED  EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

   STEVE1:  First thing Steve is  that in your country and Germany, etc, the people who train were raised in the SChutzhund, german way of training,,and they know the correct techniques, and live it and breathe it. 

  HERE IN  the USA  we have tons of people OFFERING free training, but if you do not know  much about what is  PROPER TECHNIQUES for a dog who you LOVE and care for , and are GREEN in this venue,,,YOUR dog and you both can be FOOLED>   HERE in TEXAS we have many who offer FREE....they were not raised in the sport or even in a family of proper trainers.  SO the difference lies there. If you fall for these , you lose.

    THEN someone has to go later, like my former  trainer, David Moore, who had to retrain many BOUVIERS, sp? , and many gsd that free TRAINING  almost ruined. 

     I guess in your COUNTRY , people are not so FREE with opinions and like attention.

    Here in the USA we have an OVER abundant amount of people, WHO THINK, they know how to train a GERMAN Shepherd or a Malinois, or a Rottweiler , because their dad did, or the ARMY taught them..

    This is why we are skeptical and ask ... HAVING worked in the venue I did, I found out , how you do not trust without asking many people and find out first.
     My experience goes back to when I was working with HArris CO SO dog trainers, and we had to handle   Heidelberg Kennel  , and the owners, of the kennel in Springs, dislike for working dog people and handed out info on Breeding and training that was far from correct for any well bred working or showline dog. In discussing with AKC also many problems with that owner of kennel and his dislike for giving people their papers, they had MOUNTAINS of problem too with him.. Of course nothing he offered was FREE...his opinions were, and if you didn't buy his feed and your dog was sick, ill, blind or had HD, it was your fault.  That was FREE>  lol
IT shocked me how many people just take the word of any person who CLAIMS they train or breed.

We have a much more FREE way of living here in the USA than most foreign countries..

FOR some reason , unbeknown to me, there are hundreds of people training dogs , free and they use free to sell their pups or get their names out there..
I am sure the body of owners here on our database can tell many tales of who they know that did this and results every week here , finding these breeding people who claim to know the BEST for our BREED.   When you look at their websites, and the ways they tell wrong info on those sites, like a few we had posted just in the last month here, we see how FREE is not always  FREE   GOOD>>it is FREE BA

HEXE couldn't have expressed it any better.!!  Thanks HEXE

I have offered "free obedience classes" to children for the last 26 years.  I like kids, it gets them involved in the dog world and the free advertising I get in return more than makes up for my time.  I also offer free in kennel obedience to large breeders as the referals more than pay for the cost of training one dog. SOOOOO not everything is a scam.  Sometimes it is an investment.

  YES   brynjulf:
  
    YOU do no fit the FREE  person who just comes out of no where..

     YOU ARE WELL KNOWN for your reputation allows you to do that and you deserve the KUDOS

     WE are referencing just ADS that appear on classifeds like  Craigs LIST etc.

      A lot of well know trainers offer JR classes free like you do...A lot of trainers well versed and reputable offer    free to  community centers that YOUTH programs help kids off the street get a new job..

        I was not addressing  WELL KNOWN trainers... I was addressing JUST AN AD in  a paper, from  so called  TRAINERS that come from WHERE?>   have to find out WHERE first.

   YR

Aww shucks Yellow Rose :)  I just wanted people to know that sometimes free is free LOL :)  But I get the point that there are alot of trainers out there that are scammers etc.  I don't think we see it as much in Canada.  The dog community is very very small and word travels quickly good and bad.  Poor trainers and scammers would not be in business long here.

i am only 1 hours from this trainer , i am going to check him out , it cant hurt to take alook.

as i have been looking for a good trainer here in wisconsin and the last one i found  was a joke...

he was from greenbay.

 
  Good deal trixx:

   You just  verified what I was speaking of...so many CLAIM and advertise to BE

   Someone on our base uses the term all the time:   a " WANNA BE"

    Let us know your findings/

    YR

TO all you posting on this subject
How the hell you can make a bloody meal out of just a request by one GUY offering to give free instruction when anyone with common sense and i have put it in PRINT. You cannot work alone and get top results in the SchH sport without help from others, and that is the problem this Guy seems to have he needs someone else to work with him he cannot watch his dog every second he is working it and that dog will make mistakes the Guy will not see, WHAT' good is that a spoiled dog and a waste of training.
NOW' if someone lives an hour away what the harm is there contacting him to see what he has to offer, But you Guys make such a big deal out of it that is why i said you are frightened of your own shadows, I do not find it not funny at all but somewhat sad that people can think the way some of you do.
NOW trixx can contact him and find out, it will cost her a 2 hour drive, if the Guy is not straightforward then she can walk away no harm done but worth the drive to find out if she is pushed to train elsewhere.

Steve1

well i talked to this guy on the phone and ask for a demostration with one of his dogs , he said no, he is only a trainer   not a helper- so how am i to see if he is any good if he does not want to show me- he also talk like his shit dont stink, he was a very rude man,well he talked like he was one of the best trainers out there, so if he talked to me like that , how the hell is he going to get people  to want to work with him with that attitude. he basicly said he is looking to trade his free service for helper work.  well i wont go to him , i told him he was not what i was looking for...