CDN V.S U.S. SCHUTZHUND DOGS/CLUBS - Page 2

Winnie, the RCMP breeding program is not accessible to the public. What you describe is the work of any standard Dual Purpose Police K9. Not all K9s in Canada come from the RCMP program. Liability is always an issue, just not as expensive of an issue as the Canadian Courts do not award insane amounts of money. And if force is needed to apprehend someone after they have been told to "stop or I will send the dog" and they do not stop and could not outrun the dog, too bad. Ana, Mariom, breeding in the end is always experimental. If I had to give one single advice for breeding I would say - avoid extremes. That male does not seem extreme, he might be a good choice. Especially since you have seen him in person. Won't know til you try.

Yes ANA I agree that breeding is always experimental and I hope it all works for you. Just remember to be careful as once you get what you are looking for it may prove to be much more than you are ready for. I have seen this with many sport people and pet homes looking for a "real" dog and when they finally got one it was like holy _ _ _ _. I just came back from my regular forum and noticed another guy in ohio who has been on and off here braggin' about how tough his dogs are and on and on and I saw his dog(s) and all others who saw them, bought titled, thought they were ok but no way anything special but he is the biggest talker and promoter of them. Staying on topic it would be good to hear from others in clubs regarding what they would prefer and actually from breeders about what they would like in their stock in Canada and America. It may demonstrate a difference.

ANA I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU 100%. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR A STRONG CIVIL MALE WE FOUND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IN CANADA. I AM SURE PEOPLE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS BUT IN GENERAL WE FOUND CANADIANS MUCH MORE WILLING AND ABLE TO HANDLE TRULY CIVIL DOGS THAN AMERICANS. PERSONALLY I BELIEVE A PART OF IT MAY BE BECAUSE OF THEIR HIGH PERCENTAGE OF EUROPEAN HERITAGE CITIZENS THEY HAVE HAD GENERATIONS OF FAMILY HISTORY USED TO DEALING WITH REAL DOGS AS THEIR IDEA OF WHAT A DOG IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

RCMP dogs that fail thier rigorous training are made available to the public. Some will be open to 'all' and others will have stipulations on them. My comments on this however, was not meant to imply that these dogs/breedings were the dogs that people are seeing at SchH events/training but more in relation to the lines/pedigrees of these dogs and seeing what they are producing. I did have the opportunity to breed to a retired police dog. I was surprised that there was no stipulation on the dog once it was retired. He was a direct import from Czech. I thought I was pretty clear in what I said. ALL RCMP dogs come from thier breeding program. City police dogs come from anywhere and everywhere. They have even put advertisments in the local newspaper for prospects from owners that are having a hard time training and/or working thier dog. Some city police dogs come from local breeders etc. It is interesting to hear people's perspective's of Canada. We have just as many liability issues as the U.S. although perhaps not as high award settlements. We have MANY breed specific laws for dangerous dogs and some municipalites have very strict dog laws. We have had several maulings in this area in the past couple of years and it is a very 'hot' issue. We are constantly battling breed specific banning. Not sure what is meant by smaller communites offer less risk for the potentially dangerous dog compared to metropolitian areas? Some of our strickest dog laws are found in the smaller communities/municipalities.

Winnie, you must be in ON... not all the same in other parts of the country. but red tape is to be found everywhere.

Nope, B.C.

The reason people are more aware of Ontario's specific breed legislation is due to the fact that it is provincal wide. However, MANY cities/municipalities have the same by-law as Ontario. Some have included other breeds. There is a small town in Saskatchewan that ban's gsd's, amoung other breeds. The small city I lived in (Abbotsford) considered a law where ALL dogs that have had ANY kind of protection training needed to be muzzled when off thier OWN property. Would put a damper on SchH huh? We are constantly fighting breed misconceptions. Recently in Abbotsford, the school board decided to bring drug detetction dogs into all local schools. There was an outcry by parents (for various reasons). The final decision was that they will have drug dogs but will NOT use any german shepherds (course because they are so aggressive).

Winnie -- Pls. send me some info re. the Abbotsford plans: JadaRott@aol.com This does NOT sound good.

Rottnk9, the by-law I mentioned for Abbotsford, was being talked about 15 years ago. Thankfully, nothing came of it! Doe sn't say it can't happen again, but for now, it is a non issue. (thankfully).

My U.S. Schutzhund dog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLOlS1JFa1A