Why do kennels "give away" dogs - Page 2

"This long hair came from the Dam and If I knew this I would have not done this breeding" Sorry K9 Helser, but it takes 2 to make a long coat..it is a recessive and therefore both parents must have it in order to get it..... There are lots of people who LOVE long coats, if you want to give them away that's fine but the lovers are happy to pay for them... and they didn't cost you any less to raise than the normal coats did they??? I also agree with Molly, I will keep a dog and hang onto it until just the right person comes along, have done this several times in the last few years.. sometimes they go for money, sometimes not.. just depends on what's best for the dog....

Molly I truely agree with you on that doing right by the puppy/dog is far better then any amount of money.. I have kept pups back for my self for one reason or other ( likes males more i.e) will find a great home with a male . it hurts sometime due to you know that he/she will be a great working dog and you will not be the one working with him/her but at least the puppy is happy. As for Mr. Helser this had nothing to do with your ad -actually just read it after being spoke of. I was looking for a puppy at top working kennels and saw this and was wondering why. I personally agree if the dogs have a genetic flaw then they should be put on spay /nuetered contracts and found good home let it be working or pet. I see to many people sell long coats here lately for breeding. Not in the GSD standard. As far as the age goes I see nothing wrong with selling an older pup. I have found there are a lot of people that don't have time to house train or go to basic obedience classes and want an puppy that has some training and willing to pay extra for it, but they dont want to pay 1000's for a SchH titled dog cause they don't want all that.

K9 Helser, Take heed to what Dkiah has pointed out..when it comes to long coats, it takes both sire and dam to produce them. Each dog must carry the gene to produce LC, so in following your theory, your male should not be bred again either....if bred to another female that carries the coat gene, more coated pups will be produced. Your stock coated pups from this breeding will carry the coat gene, and if bred to another dog that carries the coat gene, they "may" produce coats, but if bred to a non coat carrying partner, they won't. Just keep this in mind when breeding your male again, you will have coats in every litter "if" the female also carries the gene. Almost every dog out there carries the coat gene. It is not a life threatening genetic fault, it is simply a matter of hair ;) And you are right, you are free to do what you want with the dogs/puppies you own.

kor_und_leistungzucht ) DKiah It is not a life threatening genetic fault, it is simply a matter of hair ;) To me this is a BIG genetic fault and the pup should not be sold for breeding . I will not sell working line dogs as pets as I feel that they they are not . Also I do not agree with some of you that it takes 2 male and female to make a coated pup . My male has had 120 breedings in the Slovak, Czech and other places, and now here in the USA and has not produce a coated pup till now So please tell me how this can be if he has the LC gene . Also as far as giving them away I am doing so only to working homes and with non breeding rights . If I do not have homes for all of them I will keep them and then sell them as trained or Green protection , SAR , Police K-9 when they are older , But I just thought that why not try to place them in working homes now .

Well, I can only tell you from my experience and what the geneticists say and it takes 2 to tango, my friend.. I suppose it's possible your male may have been bred to lots of females who don't carry the coat factor Have you seen all the pups he produced from those 120 breedings?? I would guess a lot of those breedings occurred before you owned him??? At any rate, this is simple genetics.... check out some of the texts..... There are a number of recessive conditions..

Also Why you may ask am I giving them away free ? I do not like that people charge big $$$ for pups that have genetic fault like LC . I just want the best for my pups and If I fined the right SAR or Schutzhund or Police Home for them I will give the pup to that person as long as the work the pup ,.

Yes I have seen Pictures and Video of all the pups he has produced from those 120 breedings and no LC . Well what about what kor_und_leistungzucht said that Almost every dog out there carries the coat gene. That is crap I have been working and breeding GSD all my life I have not had a LC pup in a litter till this year . So please tell me if all GSD dogs have the LC Gene then how do you all protect your self from having them ?

K9 Helser I was not making any reference in my reply to you about selling the coated pups for breeding dogs, indeed, I do believe they should go on limited registration, however, one should not view length of coat as being the "end of the world". I am sure that at no time in history has any "bad guy" ever made reference to a difference in bite from a LC or a stock coat PDK9 ;) And please K9 Helser, if you do some research you will find coated dogs in almost all GSD pedigree, whether it be a littermate of a dog in a dogs pedigree etc.. Please note, I said __almost__ all. If you do some research on genetics + coat inheritance etc, you will indeed be able to confirm what myself and others have/will post, it takes two carriers of the coat gene to produce it. I have to say, I am rather impressed that you were able to track down the progeny from over 120 breedings to indeed confirm there has never been a coat produced. Please keep in mind...not __all__ progeny get registered etc. It would not be uncommon for a coat puppy to simply be sold/given away as a pet in their homeland, just as it would happen here. Best wishes for all your endeavors, and please do not feel as though you are being attacked, I mean you no malice.

K-9 Helser, I agree with DKiah, and Kor und leistungzucht, who have stated that both sire and dam MUST carry the long coat factor for there to be a long-coated puppy in any litter. This is actually a research validated scientific fact and is not disputed by any reputable canine geneticist. In fact there is a well validated genetic cheek swab test now available for GSDs which will tell if any dog (male or female) is a carrier of this gene. If the dog is a long-coat, it must be not only a carrier, but must have two genes for it, one from the sire and one from the dam. If it is not a long-coat it may carry one gene for it (but only one max) and therefore will be able to produce a coat if bred to another carrier. If a carrier is bred to a dog that doesn't carry the gene, then there cannot possibly be any long-coated puppies resulting (this is a scientific fact). It costs %58 to have any GSD tested with a cheek swab test by mail and takes about 10 days. Fast, painless, and reasonably priced. If one doesn't want to produce longcoats, this information can be easily obtained to prevent that occurrence.

Where do i go to find this test and more information. Thanks EK