What is so truly special about Dallas?

I ask because I am using one of his sons as the stud.

FOR ME IT HAS TO BE AM. AND CANADIAN CHAMPION COVY TUCKER HILL'S MONTE ALBAN

I had to look this boy up as it's very rare for someone on this board to recommend an American-type GSD.

Also, he's a Canadian champion, but I'd never heard of him before.

And I have to say, he's really not my cup of tea AT ALL.  But it would be a very boring world if we all liked the same things, wouldn't it? 


Now, as for American style GSDs, I'll gladly sing Dallas's praises! He was one of the few GSDs of recent years that stood on his feet instead of his hocks. He had a nice masculine head, whereas with most American dogs, it's very hard to tell the males from the females. He had good bone, and a nice temperment. There were pics on the owner's website of him lying on the couch with a small baby, and another one of him sharing his bed with a small dog (forget the breed now.) One of the members who used to post on the PDB (Firethorne) saw him herd sheep, and he did it like he'd been doing it all his life, and looked like he could go all day long, even though he was no longer young at the time.

I've heard Jimmy Moses even did schutzhund with him, but have never been able to confirm that, or find out if he was any good at it.
He did have his HIC certificate, though.

He's the main reason I bought my female, Star of Hope. Dallas is her grand-daddy.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=523413

And one of these days, I AM going to get a better picture up there! 

Here's Dallas' photo:




And here's the thread where Firethorne talks about seeing him herd: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins_read/87717.html

 Alaasolso  A He did have

It's a breath of fresh air to hear folks speaking nicely to one another about different types of GSDs, including Am lines. My girl is 1/8th Am lines in her pedigree, aside from that she is West German Highlines....& she is the epitome of what a GSD should be. I having working lines as well, & co-own our DDR-Czech male Wolf....all of these lines have their strengths & weaknesses. I love the picture of Dallas, thanks Sunsilver! I love my Kali, she is my all time favorite! But my other dogs are not far behind! And the forebears that made them who they are! Sorry, love them all! jackie harris

MY Dallas is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better looking. 

V, CH. ROM (US) Bernd Vom Kallengarten (1957)

Many years ago...Grandson of the great 50 VA1 Axel von der Deininghauserheide Sire and grandsire of so many here in the US and the main balance in the rush to breed everything that walked to GV Lance of Fran-Jo...Thru his grandson Yoncolla's Mike and daughters  Chickwood's Gillie and Cobert's Ernestine.

Also

CH Caralon's Hein von der Lockenheim (1965)

and his son Phantom My favorite Black til Marin  and Paska.


While these were widely used in the US, all 3 are from solid Import breeding back when...

Are there any pictures of Racker von Itzal??  Would love to see?  Thx  Nan  And thank you for sharing those s/l pictures;  all beautiful dogs and not as extreme as current long backed show lines.  Hate those long over angulated backs.  And so far if I have asked if they have been DM tested (the AM showlines;  the answer has been NO).  Scarey to think they are out producing that long back and spine and not DM testing.  N

vonisk, I have to disagree with what you said above. Here's what Louise Penery, a lady who (I think) saw some of these dogs, or at least their progeny, has to say:

Bottom line is that, after WW II, the Germans were not about to sell the best of their decimated DSH national heritage to Americans for any price. Even an Ernie Loeb, had to use a middle-man in Germany to facilitate his purchases of some also-ran dogs from Germany--often for a pittance. Yet, these are the very dogs that became pillars of the breed for the modern GSD showlines in the USA.


And Preston, another very experienced and knowledgeable poster has this to say:

Louise has it right.  Take Bernd v. Kallengarten.  A georgeous very masculine male with fluid movement.  But he had very bad wheels and reproduced the same, just like his big floppy ears that would wave at you when he moved.  Many of the imports were culls from West Germany.   Axel Poldihaus appeared to be a spook and produced it, but he also produced Ghengis which produced some excellent males which could be strong temperamented or like Axel.  Marko Cellerland was different, there was nothing wrong with him.  In the late 50's or early 60's there was a wealthy American woman that bought a very expensive top rated GSD Sch competitor with a V rating in show from Europe (west German breeding).  He was as good a GSD as I have ever seen anytime anywhere.  Problem is that he didn't produce anything when bred, but before this was known a friend of mine bred a very good bitch to him and ended up with some dalmation type spots on all the puppies (we then knew why he was sold to an American).  Many Americans were impressed with Asslan von Klamme.  I wasn't and thought his temperament was weak, but he did move nice from the side and had good color a very plush coat, and also appeared short necked to me.


Source: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=221753&pagen=18


There is some excellent stuff in this thread, if you can stand to wade through all 18 pages of it! 

 

My favorite of all time is Max van Tiekerhook or Iltis von der Wildsau. My computer is acting funny trying to put pictures on here so I'll attach a video to Max.

" But it would be a very boring world if we all liked the same things, wouldn't it?"

My sentiment as well.


I my view, the American show GSDs do have the most beautiful body line and shape. There are extremes in every line and some judges do condone such extremes, but far from all.


Most American champions move very well.


Do you believe in today's world a dog of any breed is first and foremost a pet for affection? I do, but if utility is considered tops, it is OK and kosher as well. It is also exciting to see a dog with great working abililty, especially if it is not ugly with very bad conformation.