Malinios vs GSD - Page 2

 you can make a handler mistake witha good GSd and he his forgiving. Not like Mals. GSD definitely more versatile and intelligent


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Duke = Idiot  I would put any one of my dogs even my 13 month old up against yours any day on a good guard. If you want you can come to my place and feel the power of a good Mal in your face your welcome any time.

On the subject of messing up a dog and retraining it what the hell are all you people taking about? A good trainer can fix any problems that arise through bad training no matter what the breed. As for duke I would like to know what KNPV people you are talking to? KNPV uses primarily the Malinois because of the type of dog it is and lack of bad health issues.

Mals win that is it, this is why they are used more often, also of because of the fact that they are simply healthier, learn, mature, and work harder and are much more athletic. 

Now on the subject of nerves lets talk nerves. Mals can tend to be a bit noisy on a bite yet none of which I have seen that make noise on a sleeve or suit ever adjust their bite. Now most will say that this is nerve, I see it as fight drive. What I see as nerve is when a good strong decoy puts a little bit of pressure on a GSD and he chews the shit out of a sleeve or moves from one place to another on a suit, that is nerve to me. This is just something that I have seen. Nerve can also be a good thing this is why a good Police Dog always is quite a bit sharper and has a ton more suspicion than most sport dogs.
 
As far far as the subject goes about being calm in the house I can't stand it when a damn dog does circles in a crate or when he/she is out in the house and can't settle and does circles around you when your up moving around, this is not a trait that is only in a high drive working Mal but also seen in high drive GSD's so what is your point. Teach your dog to calm down if that is what you want and if you can't do that get a F$$$%%% Poodle.

All I can say is that if you want a good working dog find one and no matter what the breed a good dog is a good dog. 


"Dark Side" ha get over your self and see the light.

I always wonder when these types of threads come up, how many people who are responding to bash the Malinois have actually owned/trained a good one?   And how many people who describe the Ring sports as "dancing with the decoy" or "all prey" have actually trained/titled a dog to the III level in those sports?  I'm going to guess not that many.

Vincent you had some very good points.

I dont see how we can compare overall breeds. There are too many different types and lines! Theres Showline, Workingline, FCI, American, KNPV, French, Belgian, DDR, Czech you can go on forever. To me they are each thier own!

You cant compare a showline GSD to a KNPV line GSD...and you cant compare a showline Mali to a KNPV Mali.  Where there is a weak Mali you can find a weak GSD and vice versa...

People have different goals on both sides and I believe thats why the breeds are becoming diluted.

Well Ha Ha....I was able to drag someone down to my level. LOL

I honestly don't see the big differences. I see a lot of small ones. These blanket statements go nowhere. I here it all the time. Malis are this and GSDs are this. Really? Are they? Why then are there as many contradictions?

ok, another question, would the people who are pro malinios, or better yet, the people actually working these dogs recommend the breed for someone wanting to work a dog, but can't physically handle a large shepherd (70-80+ lbs)?

I realize size does not equal power, because I have seen several very small mal females take down a large male helper at a regional.

I would think it would depend on WHY the person couldn't physically handle a large GSD.  Would this person be able to handle a GSD if it came in a 45-55 lb package?   If so, then a female Malinois might work for them.  Average males are in the 65-70 lb range though, so if they can't physically handle a 70lb GSD, I wouldn't see 5 lbs making enough of a difference that they could handle a 65lb Malinois.

We had a thread along these lines a few months ago. I have never owned a Mal. My dogs and service dog are GSDs, now I've worked with and seen Mals. Both breeds are fine specimens. And each has their strengths and weaknesses. My bud, a fellow handler is a die hard Mal person, me the GSDs. Would I ever own a Mal? Possibly someday but at this point in my life I'm trying to concentrate on a few lines for breeding. But the Mal like I said is a fine dog also in my eyes.

They are all the same to me...

I love KNPV lines...they dont care what it is as long as its tough as nails!!!