Not sure what to do? - Page 2

JuOO,
    I know it must be hard for you thinking what MAY happen....However, think of it this way.....All the worrying in the world will not change things......Only you can...

I think, since he has not really said anything about taking her back, I would ask him what are his reasons for waiting to see her now after 8 months.....Give him the chance to state his case....Don't assume he wants the dog back...He may not want her back, but only wants the son to realize what might have been.....

This would be a good time to ask for the registration paper which would give you the ownership......If he does not want to give you the  reg paper, than ask for some type of documentation stating he gave physical possession of her, but did not give you the reg paper also, and state the date he did it...... Also make sure the sire and dam's names are on the documentation...That is very important, for reasons I can explain in a PM if you would like to know....Don't want to go into those details here,  as that maybe considered a personal dispute between you guys and that would be violating TOS...So if you want to know, PM me...

The most important thing is not to get upset or let this get ugly.....Try to be civil about it....That will get you more co-operation from him than letting it get ugly....

All in all, I would not just hand her over without some type of compensation of some kind....Its not about the money, but the Principal of it all.....I'm all for teaching kids to learn the hard way, but not at someone else's expense and emotions....Bottom line to that...!!!!

If you do get to keep this dog, what are your plans with her....

Based on your side of the story .........................................
Yes. Nonacona and others are right. Do not assume that the guy is wanting the dog back. And then talk to him and see if you can get the papers and if not (& if he wants a dog back) then document all that you could and based on the seriousness of the issue send him a bill in writing, documented and by registered mail and a fax or email. Include all the bills. Ask for a top dollar per day based on the fact that the dog was treated like your own. If the average market rate is $20 a day ask for $40. Also add your time (like handling fee) everytime you go for dog food, toys, vet , picking up poop, grooming, meds, service, any distruction that he did, etc. That is reasonable because if you see there is a fee for some one's time. There is a return check fee, processing fee, handling fee and even a fee to talk called "consultation"

If possible, file a law suit for all that money. Then even in  worst case scenario, even if you had to give away the dog, you will still get atleast half of the money that you were demanding.

This is what is called Litigation. And in our courts, by the time you are are done what all you get is only a small percentage of the actual amount so make sure you ask for the biggest number possible.

Paperwork Paperwork Paperwork !!!! That's the reason we have these many signatures at car rentals or any other dealings.

Believe me ! with some people nothing works except a court. And most of all ................. a lesson well learnt. Do not do things based on oral agreements hereafter.

Thanks

You were All right. He said he doesn't want the dog back but now says he wants 500.00 for the papers....Can he do that?

Yes, he can do that, since the papers weren't part of the original deal.  If you're not going to breed or title, you don't need the papers.  If he's not asking for the dog back, be happy with that!  I would, however, write up an agreement that the dog now BELONGS to you, no matter whose name appears on the papers!  If you do plan on titling and/or breeding, $500 is a deal!

Do you know her pedigree and if not, her registered name?

Jul, have you offered to buy the dog from him? He may be just happy to recoup what he spend originally on purchasing this dog and maybe he will deside get another one a pup for his son...

I would ask him if you can buy a dog from him..if he refuses and wants it back than charge him for room and board and expenses...

Ya, I guess he can, the turkey.  Do you really care if you have them?  Offer him A LOT less, or tell him to keep them.  You did him a favour by taking the dog.

I don't know her pedigree....her registered name?

Her registered name as it would appear on her papers.  Her call name is most likely different.

If you want to own the dog legally on papers, and have her registration papers to prove it - if you would like to breed her, or enter her in akc competitions, or if you would like for this person to leave you alone for the remainder of the dogs' life and not have to worry about them wanting her back (or taking her back, which they could probably do simply by providing proof of ownership ie the registration papers and bill of sale from them purchasing her from the breeder/seller) - then pay the $500 which is a reasonable price for the registered dog, and then take an easy breath with papers in hand proving she is legally owned by you.

If you don't want the papers and don't mind wondering if they will ever try to get her back - then don't return his calls and stop communicating with him.  Make sure the dog is not left in a yard unsupervised either.

molly

Yes, I think eventually we would have to buy the papers, just so we don't have him bothering us. We never planned on entering her into any competitions or breeding  her because it sounded like  to much of a hassel. The ex-owner said that we would have to take her back to the lady he had purchased her from and breed her there and then take all the pups back to the lady and she would keep all the pups but one!!!