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by Doberdoodle on 08 February 2011 - 17:02
by steve1 on 08 February 2011 - 23:02
In all probability she will be mated to a Son of the great Tom van't Leefdaalhof or to the winner of 1st WUSV 2009 and 2nd WUSV 2010,
If she is mated to this WUSV winner then it will be a WUSV Champion mated to a daughter of a WUSV Champion. The first Three Puppies will be given away Free to work in the sport of my choice which is the Schutzund Sport
Steve1
by Davren on 08 February 2011 - 23:02
by Xaver vom Kammberg Owner on 09 February 2011 - 03:02
Doberdoodle, are you referring to me on the unlimited AKC papers? If she had been trained for work in Officer Gamma's honor and landed work, perhaps they would have wanted to breed her to anotherK-9 or Sire of my choice. They didn't choose that route.
by windwalker18 on 09 February 2011 - 05:02
The point that the person should be someone who is currently involved with schutzhund, or a young person whose family is involved but they want their own dog to train... is a good idea. Too often dogs purchased with all good intention of training and showing never make it that far. I've an amazing young guy who would excell in schutzhund, but injuries to my back and shoulders make it impossible for me to do what I had hoped.
Be sure to put in the "WHAT IF" clauses in any contract, and absolutely you HAVE to do a spelled out contract with even close friends to avoid misunderstandings later.
by VKGSDs on 09 February 2011 - 14:02
Honestly I don't think you can stipulate training and follow through with it. So many people have the best intentions and things don't work out, they get injured or can no longer afford it, dog gets injured or just doesn't cut it, etc. Personally I would never purchase or even accept a free dog with such stipulations because as much as I enjoy SchH I cannot guarantee that unforeseen circumstance would never effect my training. What do you do if you stipulate training in the contract and the person can't? Sue them for not training a free dog?
by malndobe on 09 February 2011 - 14:02
I know a breeder who did this, and it was in part how they made a name for their breeding program. Giving pups to proven handlers, they took a risk that the handler might not do anything with the pup, or may just resale it, but most of the handlers took the dogs and titled them. Some all the way, some to just lower levels, but it got the breeder's name out there quickly and really helped build their reputation as a producer of good working dogs.
I would give a pup away to the right handler. Someone I knew had a history of titling dogs, and I also knew well enough personally to know they were looking for their next competition dog, and not just an opportunity to flip a cheap pup to make some cash. I will also do discounts for handlers who have previously titled a dog from me, or who have taken a dog to the top level of their sport.
If you are worried they are just looking to resale the pup for cash, you could do a co-own on the papers, say for 1 year, so they can't resale it at least that long. But then again, if that is a real concern with that handler, just don't give them a pup. I'd only consider giving one away to someone I felt I could trust to be honest about their plans with the pup.
by crhuerta on 09 February 2011 - 14:02
ViperK9 is one of those very special people.
We get great pleasure working with our friends, and having their dogs do well. *It has a unique, rewarding feeling!*
At the moment..we have a young woman needing a personal service dog, she will be receiving a male puppy from our Cuevro & Inca litter (providing the puppy is suited for her needs)...this will be her 2nd dog from us, placed at no cost.
Robin
by dogladyj on 09 February 2011 - 17:02
Simple but it works for us and I am lucky enough to have great people in my life. I go into it with eyes wide open that people change. The dog may or may not be worked or titled but first and foremost, will this dog be loved? Not every story was a huge success but I have made many life long relationships. Not one horror story and not one person has gone against my wishes.
B litter- Bdar was placed with a club member who had not been around very long and had never titled a dog. He did a GREAT job raising him and got a wonderful looking BH. Due to family issues he had to return bdar to us. I paid him 1200.00 for his training not because I had to but because i respected him and he deserved it. I resold the dog and he is now a duel purpose police dog for Jackson Co. Mo.
C litter- Camri was placed with a friend. She was normal size but growing slowed at 4 months. Much money was spent on medical tests but no medical problems were found. She was just VERY small. She was also not the working dog we had hoped for so we spayed her and placed her in a loving pet home. It did not turn out the way we hoped but first and foremost- she is in a loving home now.
D litter- Denny was given to my 17 year old neighbor Kenny. He used to come over and hang out on training day just to watch. He then started coming over more and more to help with the dogs. Being from a family with 5 children, wanting a good dog and affording one were two different stories. Long story short, Denny is now BH, CGC, CAL3, OD, TAN, WDST1 and Kenny is now trainer, kennel help, dog sitter, caregiver, driver and most of all friend. He is very much a part of our life and business.
E litter- Eko was delivered to a friend’s daughter on Christmas morning. (The same family that Camri was first given to) She now calls her "Joy." Even thoe they have no titles yet, they are the best of friends and joy is loved.
G litter- Gunner went to Athena R. at California Task Force 1 as a Search and Rescue prospect who is now doing cadaver work. Another great opportunity to see one of my dogs working.
H litter- Hanna was placed with a friend of a friend (who is now my friend) and should get her BH this summer.
I have heard horror stories but I think the difference is this:
1) Most people go into it as a business deal. I don’t. I think of it as placing a dog’s care in the hands of a good person who will love and nurture their new dog.
2) Most people make grand demands and are disappointed when things don’t go their way. My biggest expectation is that the dog is loved. I have not been disappointed yet.
If you go this route keep in mind that things change. Pups may not turn out, people may stop training, friendships may go sour but first and fore most- Will this dog be loved and cared for if and when all the chips fall? If your answer is yes, then you’ve got the right combination!
JoAnn Letcher
by charlie319 on 10 February 2011 - 01:02
Papers get passed once the pup has been titled (SchH-1) and had hips& elbows done. It could be a great way to build interest in the breed and sport among the younger public.
It's a lot better option than to sell them at a lower rate for lack of space since at least the owners are motivated to give the pup a worthy life..
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