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by Nans gsd on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
Without seeing the dog it is really hard to tell what promotes the aggression. I would use the muzzle, and I would try the e-collar onher, she gets shocked when she does unwanted behavior. Some say NOT to use it for agression but at this point she is a liability to people and dogs until she understands that unwanted behavior like her barking and lunging is not tolerated; believe me she is going to protect you if the true need arises; and yes I would find an experienced trainer even if you have to communicate on line to get started.
I would start with one unwanted behavior at a time and correct it. Then move on. Your timing needs to be impecible; timing with the e-collar is MOST of the e-collar success so be vigilant; she will have to wear it 24/7 unless it is being charged at night and then she will need to be in her crate until you can put it on her again. I don't think it will take long for her to understand what you are asking her NOT to do. It does not sound like she is fear aggressive to me just was allowed to make her own assumptions and decisions without your approval; some times it only takes once and they like it too much. But as is she IS a liability. Has she ever bit anyone??
Whatever you do, best of luck with her she is obviously thinking she is your families protector but is not respecting you as the adult and alpha as well as the person whom she takes guidance from. Nanci
I would start with one unwanted behavior at a time and correct it. Then move on. Your timing needs to be impecible; timing with the e-collar is MOST of the e-collar success so be vigilant; she will have to wear it 24/7 unless it is being charged at night and then she will need to be in her crate until you can put it on her again. I don't think it will take long for her to understand what you are asking her NOT to do. It does not sound like she is fear aggressive to me just was allowed to make her own assumptions and decisions without your approval; some times it only takes once and they like it too much. But as is she IS a liability. Has she ever bit anyone??
Whatever you do, best of luck with her she is obviously thinking she is your families protector but is not respecting you as the adult and alpha as well as the person whom she takes guidance from. Nanci
by Phil Behun on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
Where do you live?
by judron55 on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
what is the pedigree on this bitch??????
by missyfly96 on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
Ladyfrost, she will wear a muzzle and she does when I have her away from home.
nansgsd, thank you for your suggestions. No she has never bitten anyone we KNOW she is a liability and take every precaution we can think of to keep that from happening. I think you are right she does think she is my family's protector and we've tried everything we can think of to let her know we are in charge. Like you said obviously at some point her thinking changed and we are looking for suggestions on what to do. We do not hit or beat her, but we are very stern with her and we are always (at least we think so) immediate with corrections and even very preventative knowing she is a liability.
People ask all the time how can you have a dog like that. And we tell them she is not that way at all with "her pack/family" she is very loving and will do anything I ask her to do (sit,lay,stay). We have never seen her aggressive toward us, our kids, or kids friends. But we are very aware when we are around people or my kids friends are over she is only with them under my direct supervision because you never know otherwise she is in my bedroom or crate. Outside of her just being home with us and our other dogs we always have the mindset she is a liability and take precaution, because you never know.
ziegenfarm, I don't won't her off my hands. I love her dearly and would never part with her. We've had other German Shepherds and this time we wanted one with a little more protectiveness for the family and house and boy did we get it. With us she is VERY loving but does not tolerate outside people or dogs.
nansgsd, thank you for your suggestions. No she has never bitten anyone we KNOW she is a liability and take every precaution we can think of to keep that from happening. I think you are right she does think she is my family's protector and we've tried everything we can think of to let her know we are in charge. Like you said obviously at some point her thinking changed and we are looking for suggestions on what to do. We do not hit or beat her, but we are very stern with her and we are always (at least we think so) immediate with corrections and even very preventative knowing she is a liability.
People ask all the time how can you have a dog like that. And we tell them she is not that way at all with "her pack/family" she is very loving and will do anything I ask her to do (sit,lay,stay). We have never seen her aggressive toward us, our kids, or kids friends. But we are very aware when we are around people or my kids friends are over she is only with them under my direct supervision because you never know otherwise she is in my bedroom or crate. Outside of her just being home with us and our other dogs we always have the mindset she is a liability and take precaution, because you never know.
ziegenfarm, I don't won't her off my hands. I love her dearly and would never part with her. We've had other German Shepherds and this time we wanted one with a little more protectiveness for the family and house and boy did we get it. With us she is VERY loving but does not tolerate outside people or dogs.
by missyfly96 on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
Phil,
North Carolina 40 min outside Raleigh
North Carolina 40 min outside Raleigh
by missyfly96 on 23 September 2010 - 15:09
judron55 here is here pedigree
www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/605893.html
www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/605893.html
by micheleambernick on 23 September 2010 - 16:09
the main reason for aggressive dogs are the desire for dominance ,fear and territory-other reasons are predatory need, medical condition or redirected aggression.
by dukemaker on 23 September 2010 - 16:09
Excellent pedigree! Very nice girl!
I think you have done as much as you can without being in the hands of an experienced trainer.
Seriously, your dog needs a job. Your dog was bred as an arena sport dog. Is she ball crazy? Loves her toys? You can't take a highly bred dog like her, put her in the back yard, and expect her to be a house pet. That's not what every generation behind her was supposed to do! She needs a working job.
Your best bet is to locate a Schutzhund club, and let them evaluate her. Her aggression needs redirection! Don't be afraid to take her to a Schutzhund class-- it's really all about obedience! They are quite used to dogs like her, and will help you. She won't faze them a bit! At this stage you really do need professional help, but they will teach you how to focus her, and work through this. Good luck!!
Barbara
I think you have done as much as you can without being in the hands of an experienced trainer.
Seriously, your dog needs a job. Your dog was bred as an arena sport dog. Is she ball crazy? Loves her toys? You can't take a highly bred dog like her, put her in the back yard, and expect her to be a house pet. That's not what every generation behind her was supposed to do! She needs a working job.
Your best bet is to locate a Schutzhund club, and let them evaluate her. Her aggression needs redirection! Don't be afraid to take her to a Schutzhund class-- it's really all about obedience! They are quite used to dogs like her, and will help you. She won't faze them a bit! At this stage you really do need professional help, but they will teach you how to focus her, and work through this. Good luck!!
Barbara
by missyfly96 on 23 September 2010 - 17:09
dukemaker,
Oh yes she is ball crazy and loves her toys! The very local Schutzhund club is literally 10 minutes from my house down the road. They are the ones who said they would not deal with her and gave me the name of the second trainer who never called me back after we met with him. My local Schutzhund club said we don't let aggressive dogs that can't be around other dogs here. Which makes NO sense to me, they were not willing to help me out!
I thought they were use to aggressive dogs and it would help redirect her. The next closest club is an hour away from me, which I know a lot of people travel for schutzhund, but I could not do the middle of the week and I thought there is one 10 minutes away why should I. I was afraid they would say to needs obedience first the the local club did.
Oh yes she is ball crazy and loves her toys! The very local Schutzhund club is literally 10 minutes from my house down the road. They are the ones who said they would not deal with her and gave me the name of the second trainer who never called me back after we met with him. My local Schutzhund club said we don't let aggressive dogs that can't be around other dogs here. Which makes NO sense to me, they were not willing to help me out!
I thought they were use to aggressive dogs and it would help redirect her. The next closest club is an hour away from me, which I know a lot of people travel for schutzhund, but I could not do the middle of the week and I thought there is one 10 minutes away why should I. I was afraid they would say to needs obedience first the the local club did.
by Phil Behun on 23 September 2010 - 17:09
Your best bet is to take her to a Schutzhund trainer???? Really? 99% of the "trainers" you will find at a Schutzhund club know very little about training other than minimal contact with the sport of Schutzhund. This is an adult dog with the potential to seriously injure someone. Redirection training in the hands of a casual pet owner will get somebody hurt. You need to find someone in your area that KNOWS how to work with aggression issues in pet home application not hopping up and down healing and choreographed obedience. I'll tell you right now, the local Schutzhund club does not know how to handle a situation like this and I offer as evidence, your statement about how they asked you to go somewhere else. How many clubs have full time trainers on their staff? Most "club trainers" are carpenters and lawyers and Indian chiefs during the week, their contact with dog training comes from meeting for a couple of hours on a weekend "day". All problems are basically fixable but you have to be willing to spend the time and effort and also find the right person to aid you. I'm sending you a PM with a possible solution.
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