The prices for dogs have gotten out of hand - Page 2

I still can't believe that people depend on an animal for protection. Just how unsecure are people these days? Talk about weak nerve LOL

Let me tell ya something if someone who was intelligent enough wanted to truly kill you or to put harms way against you or your family.. The very first thing that they would do is to either shoot your expensive dog in the head with a silencer or to poison them with poison tanted meat. Now that the dogs are dead..What next? That protection that you've overly depended on is no longer there. Are you going to cry when the suspect is holding a loaded gun to your head?

 Um, any good dog will warn you the second someone steps foot on your property, Brittany. And any dog who would eat food from anyone but the handler deserves to be shot. 

The word is "insecure," BTW.

I still can't believe that people depend on an animal for protection. Just how unsecure are people these days? Talk about weak nerve LOL

RE: comment above, tell that to k9 handlers!  Their lives depend on their k-9 partners!!!  Security comes in layers.  Dog, gun, alarm system.... an alarm system can't tell you someone is creeping around in your backyard, but a dog sure can.  A gun can't go with you through a car ride in a shady neighborhood or on a walk at night, but a dog sure can.

To answer the question about trained protection dogs for sale, they are priced that high because people who don't know any better buy them.  I have clients who have purchased "fully trained protection dogs" and what they got were sport wash-outs, bad hips, and Euro garbage.

Also, if one wants a personal protection dog, they should not get a SchH dog!!!  It's different training and different temperament in some ways.  Common sense says you would train a police patrol dog differently than a sport dog.  But common sense is not so common.

I also would have a problem putting protection trained dogs into households, this is a HUGE liability.  Oh you want a protection dog and you have no clue and kids, hey take a prot. trained Malinois home!!!  Read this, http://articles.latimes.com/1995-07-05/local/me-20356_1_protection-dog-training-schools

What the more REASONABLE thing to do is to sell a fully trained dog, but without the bitework, then the purchase comes with a package of protection sessions to be done with the new handler.  Rather than sending someone home with a dangerous dog, which is exactly what a prot. dog needs to be-- not a house pet, but a dangerous dog.

I don't think anyone expects their dog to take care of someone when they break into their home and handle them and send them on their way while you go back to sleep.

I agree that you want your dog to bark at the very least so if you are sleep you can wake up and see what is going on.  I don't know too many people sleeping like James Bond with a gun under the pillow/mattress. 

Yes Brittany, you are correct that if someone wants something they will do anything to get it.  Doesn't mean I won't lock my car/turn on my alarm.

Jenni you bring up a good point about food and someone else giving food to your dog and it made me start a thread on that.

No my guns not under my pillow, but right on the nightstand next to my head. I also have another on my desk in my office. 1 of my dogs woke me up the other day at 4am barking. I grabbed a small flashlight and a gun to go see what was up out back. Must have been a cat. Didn't figure it was a person or the otehr dog woul dhave been barking too but it didn't hurt to check it out.

BTW Jen, "tainted" was mispelled.  Unless you've trained and proofed your dog in food refusal, I don't recommend putting that to the test, even with your legendary dogs.

Jenni,
If I brought over 5 pounds of lean raw beef to your house and put it next to your dogs that they will just walk away from it untouched? Of course you not saying a word. What happens when you need to go out of town and can't bring along your dogs... You mean to tell me that your dogs should be shot because their taking food from someone else other then you personally? I assume that your dogs are multiple handler dogs, right?

Thanks for the proper spelling :)

Doberdoodle,
Call me a dark evil bitch but half of the procedures that K9 handlers do in dangerous situations I don't agree with at all. I don't agree with releasing a dog in a dangerous situation that can jeopardize a dogs life. Not is it a tragedy for the dog, the K9 handler and his/her family that became attach to the animal but its also a waste of tax payers money. These dogs aren't cheap and we pay for them out of our tax money.

Once you become a suspect and you don't listen to what the police tells you and decided to run away from the authorities...you along your family member(s) (If you die) just forfeit your right to sue the police department if deadly action is taken to protect the community. That is how it should be. Today the criminals have more rights then us... and our police officers. I can sympathize with them in their frustration towards the laws that were made to protect the criminals, not the innocent citizens. We must treat them gently or else we get sued. If a black suspect gets arrested by a white cop... they play the race card and then get people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to try to get them out of what they illegally did to our community. If you're a woman being arrested by a male cop.. you're being a sexiest,etc..... How ridiculous is that?

Crime rate would reduce significantly if police officers are given more rights dealing with criminals that pollutes our streets with crime. If you run... the police should be able to shoot you down without fearing of being sued.

Dogs are great for deterrent but they shouldn't be used exclusively for protection alone.

Just recently a deadly force anti-crime law was passed in Florida indicating that if you feel that your life is at risk while a someone is trying to break into your house... you are allowed by law to kill the person without being arrested for murder.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/092805DeadlyForce.html For more information.

I don't need a gun for this. I have my stainless steel Rigid RG 24 Knife that can do the trick.

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 Daryl, the post was a mess. I just picked that one word because it struck me as particularly amusing. The next one was worse, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to delve into that mess. 

I was under the impression we were talking about PPDs...wasn't that the thread topic? Here I thought it was fairly common to make damn sure your PPD wouldn't eat food from anyone else w/out permission from you. Huh. How can you call a dog a PPD if he/she can be so easily "disarmed" by something as simple as poisoned meat? Seriously??? And we wonder why these people get away w/such outrageous prices; here we are debating food refusal, which IMO should be basic. Guess not. 

BTW, folks, it ain't that hard to teach a dog to not eat anything w/out your permission. A dog w/some natural suspicion is even easier to proof. Not that those dogs are terribly easy to find anymore, but that's another topic. 

Brittany, if you did that (came to my house w/meat), my Pit Bulls would grab it from you before you even unwrapped it. You might be knocked unconscious in the process. You'd probably be lucky to get out of your car w/it, LOL. 2 of my GSDs would eat it, I'm sure, and one would either look at me or walk over to me and "ask." I would either say it's ok, or not. He'd either eat it or walk away. My other one would growl at you for even offering it. She's a tad testy, lol. I only have one GSD that's ever been asked to refuse food from a stranger, so I'd only place a bet on one.  The thread was about PPDs, not dogs in general, may I remind you. 

I don't go out of town where I can't bring my dogs, because I can't very well dump them at the kennel or hire a petsitter, lol. I drive, and I bring them, or at least most of them. Last air travel I did was a private plane and my dog came with me. When I had to go into the hospital for an extended period, I shipped my dogs (except my Pit Bulls) to a friend who can handle them w/out getting anyone killed. I have not gone on a vacation w/out them since my oldest was a puppy; the last and only time he was left w/a sitter.

Why would you think they are "multiple handler dogs"??? What the hell does that even mean? And come on, get real. Turning a dog over to someone to care for it is a bit different than someone creeping around the property tossing meat at the dog. Any PPD worth is salt would see the difference. Also, a PPD is a different concept than a guard dog; a PPD is for all practical purposes "off duty" if not in my presence, right? 

This is really laughable that you people think this is such an impossible task, or even a hard one. Trust, time, dedication, communication. Easy.

Daryl, I have an idea to help you get over your need to make snide remarks to me on anything and everything.
http://www.extenze.com/ 

LOL...The original PDB drama queen returns to reclaim her throne...the current troll brigade is about to learn how it's done...

So, in FR when the judge is literally throwing food at a dog and they won't touch it, it must be some kind of magic, huh? And Jenni is absolutely correct, it is easy to train a dog not to touch food from anyone other than the handler. If a PPD trained to not touch food offered from a stranger has to board for some reason, the answer is simple- slide the dog's food under the gate while the dog is outside. Problem solved.

As far as the OP, yes, prices are messed up in a big way. The "elite" PPD market has always been a sort of fringe market, and has always been laughably preposterous.

However, the market for puppies is quickly becoming a problem all breeders will face. The market has been going up and up for years, worsened when the dollar crashed but as the dollar recuperates prices remain the same. With puppies, you have market worth and you have actual worth. I look at a very well bred, attractice, but pet/performance quality dog and I think, "$1500". But the current market has breeders selling puppies of equal quality for $2,500-3,500. This means BYBs and puppy farmers are growing enough balls to ask $1,000-$1,500 for puppies who were being sold for $500 only a few years ago. So what are the choices? Price your puppies lower and risk them being viewed as lower quality, or ask the market price and feel like a crook on the inside. (at least that's how I would feel). Add to this the continuing worsening economy in the US and an inevitable crash in puppy prices will come, and I predict everyone from BYBs to top breeders will feel the ripples.

@KCzaja: Right On!

" LOL...The original PDB queen has returned to reclaim her throne...the current troll brigade is about to learn how it's done..."

I could'nt have said it better myself! Nor could I magine anyone else being able to either! LOL
One would think that after all this time ,she would have acquired some knowledge...well,actually she has. Just not enough to know when to STFU!!

Brittany dear,try to keep your comments on point and not go trailing off in directions that you are clearly not qualified to navigate. Also,please keep the racist crap to yourself ! Thanks!