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by Donald Deluxe on 07 September 2010 - 14:09
How old is the dog?
by beetree on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
He will be four years old in ten days.
by FHTracker on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
Beetree, could you clarify what you mean by 'bitesports' and 'applying pressure'? I think I understand what you're trying to say but I'd like to be sure before responding.
by beetree on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
Oh please don't crucify me, but I think I mean Schuzthund and putting the dog in a stressful situation. For instance, Isn't that what table training is more or less about?
by FHTracker on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
Not crucifying, just trying to be clear.
Okay, table training is a tool for Schutzhund training, they two are not one in the same. Putting pressure on a dog in a bitework, conflict situation is a very nuanced skill and art and I would say it is an area where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Personally what you are describing here is as far removed from Schutzhund, bitework and I'd be willing to bank any sort of PPD or real life K9 work as you could get.
If you've never had issue with the dog before, I'd be inclined to agree with what other folks have said, which was he was startled, was in pain from being stepped on and reacted instinctively. I would definitely keep an eye on him but then for myself, a show of teeth to a family member is the ultimate No No and I tend to come down on my dogs like a ton of bricks for it and they get no second chances in terms of my letting down my guard going forward.
Okay, table training is a tool for Schutzhund training, they two are not one in the same. Putting pressure on a dog in a bitework, conflict situation is a very nuanced skill and art and I would say it is an area where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Personally what you are describing here is as far removed from Schutzhund, bitework and I'd be willing to bank any sort of PPD or real life K9 work as you could get.
If you've never had issue with the dog before, I'd be inclined to agree with what other folks have said, which was he was startled, was in pain from being stepped on and reacted instinctively. I would definitely keep an eye on him but then for myself, a show of teeth to a family member is the ultimate No No and I tend to come down on my dogs like a ton of bricks for it and they get no second chances in terms of my letting down my guard going forward.
by beetree on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
Thanks FHFTracker, I sure hope my correction was enough, and yes, I agree baring the teeth was huge, I am hoping it was a fluke, but you are right, I now know he has a threshold that needs watching.
He's such a cupcake, usually, that is why I am so surprised. And that he clearly targeted my son, and not me.
He's such a cupcake, usually, that is why I am so surprised. And that he clearly targeted my son, and not me.
by aceofspades on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
If you've never had issue with the dog before, I'd be inclined to agree with what other folks have said, which was he was startled, was in pain from being stepped on and reacted instinctively. I would definitely keep an eye on him but then for myself, a show of teeth to a family member is the ultimate No No and I tend to come down on my dogs like a ton of bricks for it and they get no second chances in terms of my letting down my guard going forward.
I agree with this statement 100%. My guess is it was 100% instinct, especially since you said the dog hopped up on your son's bed and slept there for the night.
I agree with this statement 100%. My guess is it was 100% instinct, especially since you said the dog hopped up on your son's bed and slept there for the night.
by FHTracker on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
BeeTree honestly without actually being there it's hard to surmise what trigger what. No one here on the board knows the exact nuances of your household, of how your family interacts with the dog and visa versa, is he bonded more closely to you than the rest of the family? Has he been getting away with little 'indiscreations' with your son and now feels in a position equal to or above him? Was your son perhaps standing in the shadow of some lamps? Did he move in an awkward way?
Everything and more can be part of the equation but the end result is your dog took matters into his own hands, which (for me) is a big NO NO.
(Edit to add: Unless you have a highly trained PPD who you need that level of sharpness in.)
You never stop training with dogs. So often we set a bit of training and then think 'on to the next thing' but it's important to never lose sight of our original work. It might be that little things have been happening and your boy needs a couple weeks of NILF reminders. I've had dogs where I've had to go back and remind them that if I want to look in their mouth, clip their nails, peer in their ears, etc ... I'm going to do it and they're going to politely accept it.
My dogs belong to *me*. I will respect their likes and dislikes. I will reward and praise lavishly the dog who accepts getting his/her nails clipped though they don't like the process but at the end of the day, if I want that paw/ear/tail/tooth, that body part is mine, without discussion.
Everything and more can be part of the equation but the end result is your dog took matters into his own hands, which (for me) is a big NO NO.
(Edit to add: Unless you have a highly trained PPD who you need that level of sharpness in.)
You never stop training with dogs. So often we set a bit of training and then think 'on to the next thing' but it's important to never lose sight of our original work. It might be that little things have been happening and your boy needs a couple weeks of NILF reminders. I've had dogs where I've had to go back and remind them that if I want to look in their mouth, clip their nails, peer in their ears, etc ... I'm going to do it and they're going to politely accept it.
My dogs belong to *me*. I will respect their likes and dislikes. I will reward and praise lavishly the dog who accepts getting his/her nails clipped though they don't like the process but at the end of the day, if I want that paw/ear/tail/tooth, that body part is mine, without discussion.
by RatPackKing on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
Hi Deb,
If it was my dog, I would make my son the "Alfa". He should be the only one for awhile to give him food and water. As a bonus he should also engage in some reward based obedience training with the dog. By doing this you are clearly defining the the "Pack Hierarchy" Family members that only play with the dog could sometimes lead to a dog feeling equal IMHO..........Off to work
Hope this helps,
Randy
If it was my dog, I would make my son the "Alfa". He should be the only one for awhile to give him food and water. As a bonus he should also engage in some reward based obedience training with the dog. By doing this you are clearly defining the the "Pack Hierarchy" Family members that only play with the dog could sometimes lead to a dog feeling equal IMHO..........Off to work
Hope this helps,
Randy
by truthseeker on 07 September 2010 - 15:09
he is a weak dog with a very low pain tolerance. Under stress he may lash out against anyone close. fear biter for sure. not his fault for the weak breeding. sorry i know its not what u want to hear
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