PSA Trial in CA - Page 2

Phil you have no room to talk. What can you base your opinion on, a video you have watched? Yes I can say that PSA is harder to title in, based on the trial results. Go read up on PSA trial results and tell me why every dog entered doesn't squeak by, actually more fail than pass. Can't say the same about Sch trials. I can count on my hands how many dogs have not just trialed in the 3's but actually passed all 3 legs. 

Many dogs can't even pass the PDC their first time. How about a BH? I don't even deal with Sch and could go tomorrow and get a BH on my dog. 

I'll take your bet that PSA will be around in 2 yrs time. 

laurelstone, good luck at trial. PSA is huge out that way now. I'm hoping I can muster up the cash to travel back east for some trials in the next year or 2. I have a friend in Main who might let me crash at her house for a long weekend so I can trial. She sends me pix of her area and it's beautiful. Would beat trialing in the heat here any day.

 Phil,  you and I had a face to face conversation about PSA and if I recall, it ended with you describing to me the injuries, some career ending, that a number of dogs had in a Schutzhund trial that you attended in a few years back.  NO sport is 100% safe so before you slam other sports, perhaps you should examine your own first.  We should be encouraging every bitework sport and the people involved and encourage more participation because the time may come that we will have to stick together to defend our right to do what we enjoy doing.

My grandmother used to tell me "If you can't say anything nice about something, don't say anything at all".  It's good advice.

Thanks 4pack.  It's really coming on strong in Ohio and looks like it's spreading to Chicago.    I'm 9 hours from Ohio and 4 from Chicago so still have to travel but in my world that seems like my back yard!.  When I titled my male a few years ago I trialed in Baltimore, NE PA and upstate NY.  You gotta like to travel with your dogs!  Maine is beautiful so do go if you can!  

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I have never heard of a dog being injured doing PSA either. I'm sure it happens but not as often as Phil pretends. I do recall seeing many a dog and hearing countless conversations of dogs being jammed on a sleeve.

Sorry, no pretending.  I attended a decoy seminar and certification given by Darryl Richey here in northern Illinois a couple of years ago.  What I "witnessed" was a group of guys with little to no experience jamming dogs to the point of screaming, running over dogs and falling flat on them.  I "personally" heard the "attendees" being told  "not" to catch the dogs or absorb the impact but rather let the dog hit and then work it.  I had brought my FRII dog Taureau to get some work in but decided after watching, that there was no way I would put my dog on any of these "decoys".  Personally, I have too much respect and compassion for my animals to ever put them in a situation like that but you go right ahead.  I have a stipulation in my puppy/dog sales contract that states, if the prospective purchaser ever trains/competes in PSA, the puppy/dog comes back to me with no refund issued.  But again, you go right ahead because apparently you don't care much about the safety of your dogs, just inflating an ego.

Yes Laurel, there were incidents of damaging work at the FMBB Championship several years ago and dogs were injured, some even severely.  I never condoned the work and was sorry that it happened.  I'm sure that the handler/owners involved would have pulled their dogs if they had prior knowledge that this was about to happen but no one suspected.  Having watched the seminar and personally witnessed the treatment of the demo dogs, there is absolutely NO WAY I would recommend PSA to anyone. 

As far as the having something nice to say comment, if I see something being done that I believe is wrong, especially to a dog, I will absolutely stand up and say it, and in this case,,,,,,,,I'm standing.

Thanks for the heads-up, Phil. I'll be careful about trialing under that guy Ritchie. The way you describe it, he doesn't know what he's doing. In the meantime, my own trainer  DOES and I feel that my dog and I are very safe there.

I sure hope they ban high school football. It's looking like most of those boys come out with at least some degree of brain injury. Wish I never did all that running, because the tarsal tunnel syndrome sucks. Basketball is tough on shins. Man you ever see a baseball hit a guy on the head? SHIT. I think I am going to stay in the house and watch TV and feed my dog bon bons. Tracking is too dangerous with the foxtails and the crop sprays anyhow.

Never compared people to dogs.  I've had a boat load of injuries from things I've done over the years but when I deliberately put my dog in a situation where I know the possibility of injury is imminent, that makes me an a'hole.  Sure injuries happen but when I see things that are almost sure to cause problems, I'm not asking my dog to do them.  My dog is trusting me that the training I have chosen for him is safe.  You have your opinion, I have mine.  For every point made on this forum, there is a counter point.  My suggestion is for people that are trusting and unaware,,,,,, to be-ware.  Like I said, I will not sell a dog to someone who intends to do PSA.

I lost count of stitches and broken bones. I think I've broken 12 but it might be 14, on account of a couple were repeats. Anyway, if I trained under a guy I thought was dangerous, I'd be an a'hole too. On the other hand, if I generalized that all PSA trainers were dangerous based on a few, I'd still be an a'hole. I'd be just as big of one if I generalized that all SchH helpers were dangerous based on some of the a'hole SchH helpers I've seen and refused to let catch my big ole girl. So ya know, we all do what works, and we all make the best decisions we can for our dogs, and we don't go around casting aspersions on the characters of people we don't know by essentially calling them negligent and/or abusive based on the sport they choose. Otherwise, I'll be accusing some SchH people of gross mental cruelty as a result of pounding that boring g---d--- routine into their dogs' heads for the dogs' entire freaking lives without end. But I would NEVER say that, because for some people and dogs it's fun. Just not for us.