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by Mystere on 14 June 2010 - 20:06
I would tend to agree with SchhBabe and Yogi Bear--this is a "good" way to keep outside entries away. But, you can always opt to trial elsewhere. If, however, this is about a "Midnight Trial," the high entry fee does not address spectators, who would "witness". 
Private plane? C'mon, who and which club has that kind of money to spend on a trial? Nevermind...just remembered that at least a couple of the major breeders pre-sell dogs (as titled) prior to them actually being trialed. They just may have the money for such excursions.
Private plane? C'mon, who and which club has that kind of money to spend on a trial? Nevermind...just remembered that at least a couple of the major breeders pre-sell dogs (as titled) prior to them actually being trialed. They just may have the money for such excursions.
by HOT Mal on 14 June 2010 - 20:06
"The quality of the field doesn't factor in on the entry fee in my book - but the cost associated with the trial itself.. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. If you don't like the fee's and think it is a FYou then don't enter. Move on to another club. With that attitude you would be a pain in the butt anyway..."
I don't live there.
I only mentioned the crappy field because I would factor in a really nice field. It seems more worth it to me to pay more to trial on a super nice field than a yucky field.
Attitude? That's just funny :-)
by sueincc on 14 June 2010 - 20:06
You know what - this is complete bullshit. If you want to know why he's charging what he's charging why don't you just give him a call and ask him, his phone number is right on the entry form, he's a stand up guy, and I'm sure he would be happy to answer any questions you may have. In fact he's one the nicest people in the sport. You don't like his field, you don't want to pay the entry fee, then don't, trial elsewhere, certainly your prerogative, but to sit here just to bitch about the cost, degrade his field, and cast aspersions based on a stupid rumor is a cheap shot considering he isn't even a member of this message board. As far as his field goes, it's regulation size, with grass (maybe a little sparse in areas) big deal.
And before any of you wise guys get any ideas, no I am not a member of his club, so there.
And before any of you wise guys get any ideas, no I am not a member of his club, so there.
by EliDog on 14 June 2010 - 20:06
No way I'd remotely consider paying 100.00 to enter a local club trial regardless of what state it's being conducted in or who the judge is.
Keith Jenkins
by HOT Mal on 14 June 2010 - 21:06
You're right. I deleted the post about the rumor. That was unfair.
by viperk9 on 14 June 2010 - 21:06
It's not just in CA. There is a WDA trial in IL this upcoming weekend and I was astounded when I saw the entry fees:
SchH/IPO 1,2&3 $100
BH $75
FH1&2 and the AD $100
I am sorry but these prices are ridiculous. This trial is also being held on property owned by the club, where they live and operate a kennel. I am not bashing this club and am not saying that the club isn't legit but charging such fees for a club level trial is highway robbery. I will be there as a spectator to support a good friend of mine who is trialing her female (who I raised and trained) for her SchH2. I am not sure how they can justify the fees. I believe I paid $45 for my BH and $60 for my SchH titiles. Just doesn't seem right to me.
SchH/IPO 1,2&3 $100
BH $75
FH1&2 and the AD $100
I am sorry but these prices are ridiculous. This trial is also being held on property owned by the club, where they live and operate a kennel. I am not bashing this club and am not saying that the club isn't legit but charging such fees for a club level trial is highway robbery. I will be there as a spectator to support a good friend of mine who is trialing her female (who I raised and trained) for her SchH2. I am not sure how they can justify the fees. I believe I paid $45 for my BH and $60 for my SchH titiles. Just doesn't seem right to me.
by Bark and Hold on 14 June 2010 - 21:06
I agree with Sue, if you don't want to pay the money, then don't show there. Why discuss this on a public forum and in this manner? As if hosting a trial is an easy way to make money??? Just maintaining a club, let alone hosting trials is a lot of work, and most clubs barely break even. Although $100 is high, it will probably only hurt their own entries... So what? That is on them. And "no", I don't even have a clue as to which club this is.
This can be an expensive sport... Dogs and their daily requirements are expensive (and time consuming), training equipment is expensive, sleeves are expensive, training fields must be maintained, etc... But so is golf, fishing, tennis, target shooting, and a whole lot of other activities that people may want to participate in. "You gotta pay to play, baby..." Otherwise, buy shit dogs, have your helper wrap his arm in burlap, and tie an old phone cord to an empty milk jug as your reward toy.
And if you really want to talk about bullshit, I know of a helper seminar that was put on last year by a person that has a big name in the sport. He had the nerve to charge the girlfriends and wives of the helpers trying out a $25 spectator fee just for being there. Mind you, these ladies showed up in high heels, were dressed in street clothes, and had no intention of learning helper work or participating in dog sport. But of course, no one says anything because this person "turns schutzhund water to wine".
This can be an expensive sport... Dogs and their daily requirements are expensive (and time consuming), training equipment is expensive, sleeves are expensive, training fields must be maintained, etc... But so is golf, fishing, tennis, target shooting, and a whole lot of other activities that people may want to participate in. "You gotta pay to play, baby..." Otherwise, buy shit dogs, have your helper wrap his arm in burlap, and tie an old phone cord to an empty milk jug as your reward toy.
And if you really want to talk about bullshit, I know of a helper seminar that was put on last year by a person that has a big name in the sport. He had the nerve to charge the girlfriends and wives of the helpers trying out a $25 spectator fee just for being there. Mind you, these ladies showed up in high heels, were dressed in street clothes, and had no intention of learning helper work or participating in dog sport. But of course, no one says anything because this person "turns schutzhund water to wine".
by NoCurs on 14 June 2010 - 21:06
What do you guys think about charging spectators?
One local club which I enjoy going to charges spectators at their trails and I just don't care for that practice. They also charge to practice there before their trials, but "rebate" it if you enter, which generaly ends up in a big clusterF.
Another local club charges $20 for the first dog,$10 for each additional dog/pup to stop by. What do most clubs charge visitors (not bullcrap visitors, but people who compete)?
Just curiuos as we are figuring out what our club should do and interested in what others do.
One local club which I enjoy going to charges spectators at their trails and I just don't care for that practice. They also charge to practice there before their trials, but "rebate" it if you enter, which generaly ends up in a big clusterF.
Another local club charges $20 for the first dog,$10 for each additional dog/pup to stop by. What do most clubs charge visitors (not bullcrap visitors, but people who compete)?
Just curiuos as we are figuring out what our club should do and interested in what others do.
by zdog on 14 June 2010 - 21:06
charging wives and girlfriends is a way to keep distractions out of the seminar. I'm all for it, if you're there you pay, if you don't want to pay don't show up. one thing I hate more than so called handlers that don't pay attention, is the riff raff they bring along that has no interest and just gossips and talks the whole time everyone else is trying to learn.
as for the 100 bucks? I have no idea why someone is charging that, or what their motive is. I merely put out a suggestion, because it does happen, or at least it looks awfully suspcious sometimes. And I know about not making any money on trials, we barely break even ourselves, and it's a lot of work, even if you're not competing that day.
as for the 100 bucks? I have no idea why someone is charging that, or what their motive is. I merely put out a suggestion, because it does happen, or at least it looks awfully suspcious sometimes. And I know about not making any money on trials, we barely break even ourselves, and it's a lot of work, even if you're not competing that day.
by Wolfinbok on 14 June 2010 - 22:06
I have been tossing around a Beverly Hills, and Malibu Club.
It is a much different world. They feel very insulted if things
are to cheap. They ask for the best, and if they have the money they
can get the best. That's why when I see some one like T Floyd doing
summer camps for kids, I try to do all I can. This is putting a step forward
for good sportsmanship, dog awareness. I hope it becomes contagious.
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