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VomRuiz

by VomRuiz on 30 March 2010 - 18:03

Nans,
Happy to hear the raw is working out so well, especially for your senior dog! I have seen a huge dfference in my dogs overall health, skin even teeth look better (cleaner) My three year old male had always had a problem with dry skin and coat as well as loose stools and I have not had a problem with either since I switched.
I am feeding a.m. and p.m. and I feed Jack Mackeral a couple of times a week for one meal. I felt more comfortable feeding the real fish and the dogs LOVE it.  A few times a week I have been splitting a can of either carrots or spinach between the 4 dogs, and they also get an egg  once a week.  Good Luck
Stacy

VomRuiz

by VomRuiz on 30 March 2010 - 18:03

I forgot to mention I was also having a hard time keeping weight on the 3 y.o. male, on kibble, and in my opinion he looks better than ever now :-)

Pharaoh

by Pharaoh on 30 March 2010 - 18:03

I use cans of sardines with no salt and packed in water.

Pharaoh seems to have a negative reaction to flax seeds/oil.  So, I give him sardines a couple of times a week.

My first shepherd had VERY negative reaction to flax.  When I was still feeding kibble, it gave him projectile diarrhea.  I had that dog tested for allergies and he had a problem with all of the vegetable oils.  That was how I started feeding raw.  It worked out very well.  I was told that flax was a common allergen.

Michele

by LynOD on 30 March 2010 - 21:03

My first Gsd didn't do well with Flax either.

I also feed twice daily.  I feed a wide variety of meats and salmon.  My EPI girl can only handle chicken, duck and turkey though due to her sensitive system.

Good luck with your new feeding regime I think your dogs will ove you for it!!

 

Lyn


by Nans gsd on 31 March 2010 - 14:03

LynOD:  I am surprised your EPI dog can handle duck.  Boy when my guys got duck even in the kibble, they get the squirty poops;  seems really oily and rich but I will pass this info on as I have a friend with an EPI bitch who's husband won't go raw and she does not do well on anything;  she is a scent detection dog therefore has a job and needs good nutrition when working and of course all the time. 

Of course I have not tried duck in it's natural and raw form, maybe that is the key for success;  Thanks to all for sharing good info.  Nan

by LynOD on 31 March 2010 - 15:03

 I would not think duck would be good either, but the duck I get is very nice and not greasy.  Not to say all duck will be that way.  For the most part though she gets chicken.  I use a finely ground mix of chicken and bone.  I think the key to her firm stools is that she gets bone in her meat.  EPI dogs do excellent on a raw diet.  A good meat/bone mix lowfat, low fiber.  I do not give her any fruit and only minimal veggies sometimes. She was diagnosed at 15 mos and is now 7 and other than her genetic health problems she is in overall good health, never sick and nice shiny coat and clean teeth. of course the enzymes are exxential for her digestion.

Lyn

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 31 March 2010 - 16:03

.. about the gluco and chondroitin.

With the racehorses, when trainers use gluco and chondroitin pre track, the chances of that young racehorse breaking down during actual track training are certain .. it's only a matter of time. Some breakdown before they are OK'd @ the gates. 

These trainers who use gluco and chondroitin are pretty much on a quota regarding their horses on a track and training time. In other words, they "pump the horse dry" to get faster track training, then medicate during training and live races. These trainers have massive numbers of horses in training and usually only take a month or so for pre track to post live starting gate. And now that some states put an age limit on a racehorse career .. well, the odds are not in the natural racehorse's favor, sadly. But hey, when all ya'll see a racehorse with "ball joints" going to the starting gate .. you know who not to bet on.

When a healthy racehorse is raised on gluco and chondroitin, the commercial gluco and chondroitin replace the natural fluids in the joints. That's exactly what it does. Hence, "pump the horse dry". Then they tap and medicate the joints.

I wouldn't recommend gluco and chondroitin for any animal that is physically joint sound.

But then again, I'm the type person that takes 6 months to a year before my horses are live race ready. All natural fluid supplied to the joints on demand of the animal.

I dunno JMO, maybe dogs are different, I doubt it, to each his own.

by zdog on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

why would flax seed be better than fish oil?  Flax seed has shorter chained ffa's that have to be broken down and repackaged into a useable length chain in humans.  Fish oils are already in the correct configuration of DHA and EPA.  Flax seed is high in ALA a common omega 3, not DHA.  Unless i've been missing something all these years.

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 31 March 2010 - 23:03

Maybe it's not. I prefer flaxseed.

Ya your right, ALA is in plantseeds ... but, if the seeds are eaten it produces DHA. Kinda like when you do scarification of seedlings to get germination. The nip on the seed will produce an internal chemical reaction. The reaction with a flaxseed is DHA. Mix DHA with live protein culture in the belly and the blood regulates it's self by nutritional value, getting rid of what's not needed ... also mixing DHA with live protein cultures, you now have good free radicals floating around blood veins just looking for a defensive fight. I think this is a good thing. Some people prolly don't. Fish oils store in the body, flaxseeds exit the body via excrements and oxygen through the blood .. that's why lungs are the number 1 blood filter in the body.

But, I dunno, maybe I'm missing something. 

Seriously, I can't stand body fat on my arse ... I'd rather work it right outta the body. Ya know, stay fit. 

Besides, what's the purpose of trying to prevent diseases when useing fish oli store fats where tumors and diseases thrive ? And who wants it cloggin blood veins ?

I'm not gonna argue if thats what your looking 4.. it's not worth it, everything nowadays is back asswards.

JMO. Good Luck.

uvw

by uvw on 01 April 2010 - 18:04

flax is a common allergen in dogs 
omega 3 oils should be rotated; fish body oil, salmon oil, sardine oil, anchovy oil, etc.
some dogs do not tolerate salmon oil well (they will itch or lose small spots of hair)
you can feed natural sources of omega 3's rather than spending money on supplements
  • grass fed beef liver
  • wild caught fish
  • pastured chicken
  • pastured eggs
  • or supermarket eggs that say 'omega 3' (chickens are given fortified feed to produce eggs with higher omega 3)
eating ALA doesn't produce DHA....the body has to convert it to DHA, and some bodies aren't as efficient at converting as others.  i don't believe dogs or cats are capable of making this conversion.

dogs need fat.  there should be fat in your dog's diet.  fat is a dog's energy source.  (obviously dog's activity level will have something to do with it, etc.)






 


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